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rehearsal speaker advice needed

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by boxcar, Jan 28, 2010.

  1. boxcar

    boxcar Active Member

    hi everyone. yet another newbie here, but not new to recording.
    i have a home studio that i use to record my material only and i use a pair of klipsch wf 35's and a crown amp for mixing wich do a nice job for me.
    we also practise (3 of us) in here (room 20'x22') and were using a pair of 800 watt yorkville U15-P's for that.
    i originally bought those for giging but we don't do that anymore, we just jam and record, so there's the problem, it's to much power for this room..i can barely run them at a quarter and so they don't sound their best though they are exellent speakers..
    i have the opportunity to sell them so can spend about $2000 to $3000 or a bit more for the right ones.

    i want something with less wattage? but higher quality performance.(still self powered preferrably).
    something that would be more like a hi end stereo system rather than a P.A. system.
    i have no clue what to look at.. JBL's or??? any suggestions. please..thanks.
  2. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    Hi Boxcar,

    1. Welcome to RO

    2. What kind of music do you play with the group?
    3. What instruments are you running through the speakers?

    (Those things would be a factor in what I would recommend.)
  3. boxcar

    boxcar Active Member

    thanks for the reply.
    i write rock tunes with a country flavor i guess i would say.
    what we do is i pre record the drums,a micked set of premier XPK's and i record the bass(p-bass).
    then we play that back through an A/H zed r16 via nuendo and i play a strat live through a deluxe reverb amp,(micked with an sm-7) tom plays a takamine accoustic/electric and elaine plays keys (both of them lined into the A/H board).
    we also run 3 mics as we all sing.
    were set up to record or just jam.
  4. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    If you're sure this isn't something you want to adjust in your Zed levels -

    I'd stick with some sort of powered 2-way 15" or 3-way 15". With drums and bass in the playback, plus keys going in live, I think you'd really miss the low-end if you didn't have a 15" in there somewhere. I my opinion a 12" 2-way would be more faithful to the acoustic guitars and vocals. But with your budget, maybe you could swing a good pair of 12" 2-way PLUS a powered sub added on.

    As far as what to look at - you mentioned JBL , their PRX series is probably where you want to start in their powered lines. It sounds like your needs might be beyond what you'll get from their EON line. JBL's VRX series is long-throw and overkill for your room. QSC K-series and QSC HPR would be another great place to start looking.

    I hope that helps.
  5. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    My question kinda mirrors something the Hawk was hinting at but didnt pursue...These are really quite high-end and even though they might be a bit much for your room size, you have the ability to tune them to the surroundings. On the back there should be power amp controls as well as a set of dip switches......Maybe?? I dont really remember that clearly. Anyway, these dip switches (if they're present) will control the crossover contours of the speakers. Monkey with these a bunch before you really decide. I think with some tweaking and some consideration of placement of the speakers in that room, you may not have to go to this trouble. If you have a manual, read it. There will be tips on dealing with these things in it. And I cant stress enough the placement issue. And if these arent off the floor, then spend the dough on the stands that'll get you where you want to be.

    For a different set, the small MacCauley's sound excellent and of course Klipsch makes great speaker systems.

    Okay. So I looked up the speakers on the net and even though they dont have the dip-switch settings, there is a knob to control the time alignment programs. Monkeying with this may get you a smaller footprint for your area and allow for more tone generation in your space.
  6. boxcar

    boxcar Active Member

    yeah, i really want to go with a 15" driver and about the zed levels, i think iv'e gone as low as a proper gain structure will allow.
    i have my master and outputs on the projects at around 60%/masters on theA/H board about 50% and the U15P's at i/4.
    i would like to drive everything closer to unity with the speakers going around 2 oclock so they can work out.
    i would't be opposed to a separate amp/speaker combo.
    how much would it cost to get a fairly big warm sound in a room like this.
  7. boxcar

    boxcar Active Member

    i have them up on cement stands with rubber layers.just to much raw power for in here and i guess im looking for a better sounding system although for a small club, these U15P's are the cat's.....
    maybe i am missing something in the way of tuning them?.
  8. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    I'd go with IEMs. Vocal monitor feedback would be a thing of the past and you get a clearer mix with more precise timing cues. The more instruments you run direct with no amp the clearer the mix gets. At $100 or less the Shure SCL2 IEMs are pretty decent. Add a Behringer HA4700 and some cables and you have a functioning wired IEM rehearsal setup for around $400 for a three-piece band. You do need to put everything in the mix plus perhaps some reverb, and giving singers their own mixes really helps. The improvement in timing has amazed me and the musicians I've been working with. One side benefit is that, since they block out much of the ambient sound, you can run your monitor mixes at a lower volume than wedges, saving your hearing.

    If you want to spend more of your budget there are higher grade IEMs and headphone amps out there than what I mentioned.
  9. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    Unity is good.

    I'm assuming you can't monkey with the A-H's individual channel gains too far and still have the record levels where you want them to record at a moment's notice.

    If you're looking into amp/speaker combos: Crown XTi and QSC PLX2 amps rock.

    You've got a load of choices in speakers.
    Again, I would seriously consider a pair of 12" 2-way and add a sub if I were doing acoustic / vocal music.
    I think the crossover in a 12" system is so much smoother in the vocal range - then add a sub for the thunder.
    (both the Crown and QSC amps mentioned have built-in crossover capability, if necessary)
  10. boxcar

    boxcar Active Member

    Davedog..thanks man. after i read your post a second time, i "monkeyed" with those switches in the back.i always thought those were only for using different subs but
    turns out you can also take the drive, out of them and make it up by driving other levels closer to unity and and eq-ing the bottom slightly.
    gonna have to play with that for awhile and see what happens. thanks again
  11. boxcar

    boxcar Active Member

    that's definitly a consideration, i already have a crown amp for the klipsch and i like it with those. maybe the answer is the 12's and a sub.
    i'll mess with those switches on the U15P's for a couple of weeks and see if i can't solve it there.
    i just want a big wide sound, is that so wrong.lol
  12. Synetos

    Synetos Guest

    I have the QSC K12's & K-Subs. Love them! Very clean and smooth even at low volume. I use a A&H MixWizard board and a DBX Driverack260. I use Mackie 450v2s for my monitors with another DriveRackPX. I have thought about seeling them and getting 2 more K12's for my monitors. The mackies are okay, but i get alot of static shocks from them becuase of the plastic housings ( at least i think that is it). I dont have any issues with feedback. But, I attribute the lack of feedback to my EV767 mics. I use to have all Mackie stuff. Just too heavy to lug around. The QSC's are light and powerful. That said, I really like the subs when playing live. The tops alone sound great, but the subs really add the low end punch...especially if I am playing my acoustic bass through the PA.

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