Reverb! Post your best tips for getting the most out of reverb.

Discussion in 'Tracking / Mixing / Editing' started by Paul999, Mar 26, 2011.

  1. Paul999

    Paul999 Active Member

    I just purchased a Lexicon PCM70. This is my first nice digital reverb that I've ever owned. I've had a day and a half mixing with it and while it is an incredible reverb I have quickly realized that I could easily recreate the 80's with this. I've been using room mic's, spring reverbs, tape delays, Daw delay, self made chambers etc. to cover ambience duties until now. With a busy mixing schedule I don't have a ton of time to experiment like crazy and would like to be pointed in the right direction and hear different reverb philosophies.

    I hope this is not too general.

    Cheers
     
  2. EricIndecisive

    EricIndecisive Active Member

    less is more? haha i don't know, i'm just horrified at the fact that you want to recreate the 80's :)
     
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Makes me smile! Less is more for certain. Nice for strings, subtle use on vocals, snare, space and things you want further back. I usually time the tail like I would with an actual delay keeping it in some sort of tempo time line. I think its the sort of thing that you just know.
    If it works at 5%, turn it down to 2% because it always ends up sounding like too much at the end.

    I use delay more than verb.

    We'll think of the 1980's reverb like we will the 2000 autotune generation. The 80's were the first really cool sounding programmable midi reverbs.
    The Pro Tools zzz sounding over produced digital generation and looping is another that is on its way out.

    Interesting how technology feeds the way songs are written and produced.
     
  4. JohnTodd

    JohnTodd Well-Known Member

    Style has a lot to do with it. Like sarNz pointed out, the 80's were drenched in reverb. But back then, affordable high-quality electronic reverb was new, and so people went a little nuts over it.

    Today's style is drier - but style is just opinion. What you must do is decide for each song what you want it to sound like. Do you want to simulate the sound of a band all playing in the same room? THen use one reverb styled to that type of room and send the instruments to it.

    Want a ethereal sound? Then use a long, lush reverb. Enya does that a lot and she sounds great - but that won't work on a fast song.

    Most of the time I use the presets on a reverb and go from there. I'll start with a preset and change a couple of things to make it sound right for the song. Very rarely do I start a new reverb patch from scratch.

    Keep in mind that the reverb time is usually some multiple of the song's tempo. THat way it fades in time with the music.

    There are always exceptions, though.

    EDIT: oops, must hit refresh before posting the same thing others have posted.
     
  5. song4gabriel

    song4gabriel Active Member

    ain't you guys heard? the 80's, and reverb are making a comeback ya'll!
     
  6. song4gabriel

    song4gabriel Active Member

    so true audiokid. I wonder what the next thing will be. Perhaps with so much over production being pushed down our throats, music will trend to a simpler feel.
     
  7. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    lets all predict.

    My hunch is acoustic music in a big way. And, I'm thinking full drums are not in the mix for a big part of the next trend. Rhythm yes, but hand played congas and similar. A very cool trend is evolving, I hope.
     
  8. JohnTodd

    JohnTodd Well-Known Member

    And it had just started to die down about now...and here it comes again!

    Oh my God...have the last 20+ years been nothing but a big backwards reverb? Now THAT would be 80's!
     
  9. SunDaze

    SunDaze Active Member

    I agree audiokid, People will get a kick outta not having a kick.
    silence will be golden again , and rhythm will of a natural cadence , implied but not spelt out to a bunch of dumbed down listeners.
    Ill drink to that
     
  10. leopoldolopes

    leopoldolopes Active Member

    I really don't have any reverb tweaks and templates... I don experiemnt and tweak a lot 'till i find the best for the moment... I don't use presets - in the past I did - not anymore! I think that with a tight schedule as you are on mixing... I would go with confortable used before presets! I love long tails...
     
  11. Paul999

    Paul999 Active Member

    Thanks for all the input! I've been having great luck using mono reverbs when I want to hide them and adding stereo verbs to taste. I can't believe the difference it makes having a quality reverb. Unfortunately having great reverb shows me how sucky my modulation effects are.LOL
     
  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I'm with you on that. If you really want to step up your game, Bricasti will take you to heaven. Its really hard for me to get excited about anything else now. Apparently Eventide and the new Lexicon Hardware is the next best thing.

    For the west coast http://www.pacificislandaudio.com/ is the dealer.
     
  13. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    If you want to talk equipment, I really like the EMT 140 Plate reverb plugin run on a UAD2 card. (There's sort of a cross between an outboard and software reverb.)
     
  14. Paul999

    Paul999 Active Member

    The bricasti looks amazing. I have been considering it for a while. I think I'll end up wanting 3 good reverb units and my usual bag of tricks. I usually save the most expensive for last incase I meet my needs before getting to the big ticket item.

    A buddy of mine uses this and gets awesome results. I am commissioning a plate reverb to be built this summer for my studio.
     
  15. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Find/ PM Remy, Paul. I think she has the real thing from the old NBC days.
     
  16. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    hmm, on second thought, I think that was the old spring system she had for sale.
     
  17. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Convolution. Room size and shapes. Room material selection. Natural. Side chained track of nothing but the reverb'd sound.

    We are going to see the return of the chamber. Mark it down. Old becomes new with technology firing up and improving the drawbacks of yesteryear.

    Plates and convolutions rule.

    You heard it here.

    All that stuff you think is really dry, really isnt......Room Shapes BABY!
     
  18. JohnTodd

    JohnTodd Well-Known Member

    Davedog, do you mean recording the ambi in the room or electronic sim of it?
     
  19. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    I'm telling ya. You owe it to yourself to try a UAD2 card and the EMT140 before you spring for a real plate (pardon the pun). (Though I have to admit that there is this little slot of wasted space between the staircase and the basement wall that would be a perfect place to put a plate. Best not to think about it.)
     
  20. JohnTodd

    JohnTodd Well-Known Member

    how to make a plate reverb

    Look what I found!
     

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