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Rode nt4 condensor?

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by eddies880, Jul 22, 2005.

  1. eddies880

    eddies880 Guest

    Im looking at getting the Rode nt4 condensor mic (more so for recording acoustic guitar).
    Has anyone out there used this mic before?-----
    Give me the good and the bad.
    is is worth the $$$$$$$ ???
     
  2. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    I tried the NT4 last year when I wanted to replace a pair of stolen AKG C452's. I was not very comfortable with the imaging it presented when recording acoustic guitar (67 Martin D18) and piano(Yamaha C7). It seemed that you could have a "sweet spot" for them, but I felt that it was too limiting. Turning the mic a bit here or there rendered bigger changes than I was after. Maybe it was just me. I ended up buying a pair of NT5's and have a lot more flexibility that a "real pair" SD condensers afford.I did find that the Rodes render what I refer to as "pro fidelity":very good extended top end response, smooth mids, solid bottom end (for a SD), and decent headroom. I think that either model is a true bargain. I have used them on a variety of live and studio gigs and they've held up pretty darned well (no matter what "sheet" says about Rode mics!) in the face of some pretty tough situations. My $0.02...
     
  3. John Stafford

    John Stafford Well-Known Member

    I'm with Moonbaby on this one. If you have a stereo bar,and a pair of NT5s, they're just as handy to carry around, and I can't think of any advantage by having the capsules locked in position. In real world situations, I've found it helpful to make little changes to the angle when using XY.

    Good luck!

    John Stafford
     
  4. atlasproaudio

    atlasproaudio Active Member

    They are kind of bright and harsh, but they are cheap!
     
  5. impro

    impro Guest

    Buy oktava from http://www.OKTAVAUSA.COM
    I just got matched stereo mk012a's for $324.
    If you want to stick with the nt-4 go to http://www.bswusa.com
    matched nt-4s are I think $270.
     
  6. eddies880

    eddies880 Guest

    I was affraid of the stereo "fixed" method of the nt4s------seems to me you would have greater flexability with 2 seprate nt5s.
     
  7. eddies880

    eddies880 Guest

    never heard of the Oktava mics----------------------what would you compare them to?-----------how well do you like them?
     
  8. eddies880

    eddies880 Guest

    Whick condensor do you prefer for capturing the "true tone" of an acoustic guitar?
     
  9. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Hmmm... Matched nt-4 capsules???? I would hate to think they were anything but matched - seeing as how their two caps on the same body...

    The quote I just got from them though was $359.

    BTW... regarding Oktava USA - why do they think they can claim that they are the only Oktava dealers in the US? Um, have they heard of the Sound Room?

    J.
     
  10. John Stafford

    John Stafford Well-Known Member

    I just looked at Oktava USA's website.

    $1299 for an MKL-5000 :eek:
    Ha! Ha! Ha! That's the best laugh I've had in a long time!
    John
     
  11. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Thanks! I agree. I bought the 2500 for $199. They have it for $699!!!!!

    Hmm, what a joke!
     
  12. atlasproaudio

    atlasproaudio Active Member


    For how much $$$? Vintage Neumann, Schoeps, DPA, Gefell and Josephson are the names to look at. But the "true" stuff costs a minimum of $1K per mic, usually more like $2500 for a pair or more.
     
  13. John Stafford

    John Stafford Well-Known Member

    I also think they can put a bit of a hard edge on things, but I have to admit I've been very pleasantly surprised by what they can do in the right circumstances. Schoeps they ain't of course.

    John
     
  14. leeg

    leeg Guest

    I recently picked up a Rode NT4 for portable stereo recording and am very satisfied. The two fixed capsules are convenient and the fact that the mic can be battery-powered is a major advantage. I think the NT4 sounds full and not harsh, less bright than some other mics, which can be good. So its convenience outweighs the inflexibility for me. Definitely satisfied with the sound quality.
     
  15. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    I must take issue with Nathan@Atlas Pro. First off, NO mic sounds great in every placement :( ...I did not see what mic YOU might recommend from the arsenal of franchises you carry as a DEALER.
    Sure, there are a couple of options out there for a bit more $$$. The Josephson SD come to mind...at almost twice the price...and there is that matched stereo pair of Avenson OMNI's (great if you have the room for them!). 'Tis a poor salesman who trashes the competition.
    To the guy who touted Oktava (!). They have experienced such a horrible reputation for poor quality control I can't believe that ANYONE would take them seriously, at any $$$.
    As to the sound and quality of the Rodes, like I said: I wanted to replace a pair of stolen AKG C452EB's I had owned since 1978.
    I have to say that the Rodes are helluva lot closer to them in sound than I expected. The onlty downside I have seen is that they don't seem to like loud hi-hats, but I have an AT4041 that can handle that gig, anyway. And they have already stood up against some pretty rough handling (choir members tripping over stands, the percussionist's errant stick, and bagpiper's spit!).
    By the way, I looked at the Rodes (NT4,NT5) because of a "shoot-out" of stereo mics in MIX magazine a couple of years ago. They compared stereo mics from A-T, Sennheiser, Schoeps, Crown, the Rode NT4, and something else. Their comment on the Rode was that it was the most "professional-sounding" of the lot. :D
     
  16. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    I don't recall Nathan saying anything about a mic for all placements. Nor did he bash the Rode. However, having access to ALL of those mics and more that he mentioned, I would tend to agree with his comments. While the Rode sounds great (and is on my personal short list), it certainly doesn't stack up to my Schoeps, Gefells, Josephsons, etc. However, for the money, and even beyond their cost, the Rodes are fantastic mics, capable of making very fine recordings.

    As for the Mix review, that's why I don't put a lot of stock in what I read. I take it all with a grain of salt.

    J.
     
  17. atlasproaudio

    atlasproaudio Active Member


    You are way off base. The guy who I answered asked me a very specific question, which was 50% an off topic question, so I answered him with a very honest answer. I'm really trying hard to figure out how you can see inside my head and accuse me of telling someone a dishonest answer because I don't sell Rode? How's this for news: I DROPPED Rode from our line card by my own decision 2 years ago. I don't think they are that great. Yeah, they are okay for the money...I think less and less in those terms these days. So there you go, we actually carried the line, made profit off of it, and I didn't feel right selling it the general public. I guess you didn't see my response at the top of the thread. Check my gearlist at my studio. Do you see Rode anywhere on that list? No, you don't. What does that tell you? (that's a rhetorical question BTW). I'm not even sure what you are talking about in regards to 'all placements' with my recommendations. Please try and get your facts straight before you start slamming me, or applying some kind of general code of conduct that 'salesguys' must adhere to (I've been an engineer for FAR longer FYI so you're going to see some strong opinions) .
     
  18. eddies880

    eddies880 Guest

    very interesting-----------I would much rather use the NT5s,due to the flexability,as far as bswusa goes,I got a price of $275.00 for the NT4 from them through e-mail--------Im almost affraid to consider Oktava after youre comments about them.
    How about the Shure Sm81?
     
  19. eddies880

    eddies880 Guest

    Ive taken the time to take a look at youre studio on the youire web site WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
    Thanks for youre honest answer ,as far as youre opinion on a good condensor for acoustic micing.
    Nathan-----------wahts" youre "opinion on the Shure SM81 for micing acoustic?
     
  20. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    I realize that you didn't ask me, but the SM81 is probably a better mic for acoustic guitar, and a single-point source is much easier to deal with than dealing with stereo mic'ing, especially in less-than-ideal environments. You might also look at the AT 4041. Mine is much smoother on the top than the Rodes.
    My comment to Nathan was simply this: you made a very broad statement about he Rodes that sounded a bit bitter. You offer a MUCH better line of mics, to be sure. Your site lists Josephson. I don't understand why you didn't make the recommendation of 1 of their SD's as a starting point for this guy (i.e., "The Rodes are not the greatest, but if you REALLY want to get professional results, you might consider getting a single Josephson C42, and adding to that later...") I dunno...I smell another Fletcher :)
    As far as the comment about magazine articles is concerned, I do take them with a grain of salt. I DO put more stock in MIX reviews. They don't seem to rave about everything the way a lot of the others do. And Atlas seems to agree...he lists their web link for reviews on the gear he sells. PEACE..
     

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