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Room questions......

Discussion in 'Recording' started by therecordingart, Jan 30, 2005.

  1. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Ok...as of now I'm using my 10x11 room as my "live" room. It's equipped with Auralex wall treatments, but it is small! I'm using my 12x14 room as my control room...also equipped with Auralex.

    The only reason I've been using this set up is so I don't have to cram band members in a 10x11 room loaded with my recording gear. Now I'm starting to think that I'm shooting myself in the foot by recording drums in such a small space. They really don't have any room to "breathe" so my un-educated mind tells me that this could be my problem to getting a better drum sound. In my mind having the smaller space makes the drums build up too many reflections too quickly which may be f'ing up my tracks. Yes I have Auralex, but I thought it would make matters worse to completely deaden the room so as of now there is only 25-30 percent coverage on the walls.


    What are your thoughts? Should I flip the rooms? Will that smaller change of space open up the high end in my drums? I would think they should start to sound a little more airy.
     
  2. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    if the height on both rooms are the same i'd change! if the 10x11 is higher i'd keep it!
     
  3. Randyman...

    Randyman... Well-Known Member

    I'm no Rod or Ethan, but I doubt you will have any more success with the 12x14' room. Both rooms should likely be as dead as possible since none of the dimensions allow a 20ms reflection time into the mics, and the direct and early reflections will smear together in either room unless absorbed.

    Get the ceiling as dead as possible IMO. With overhead mics a foot or so from the ceiling, it tends to be my biggest issue. Just my observation from tracking in my small room.

    :cool:
     
  4. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    I'm with Randyman.
     
  5. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Ok....I checked the dimensions and I was wrong. The small room is 10x9 and the bigger room is 12x15. Should I still just use the smaller room since it would be a hell of a lot easier to deaden the ceiling?

    My only problem with the smaller room in that I'm always left with very little space to try different mic techniques on a kit.
     
  6. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Arthur ...
    The accepted practice in your situation is to use the larger room as the CR ... because you spend more time in there, you do have people do overdubs etc ...

    I have a small room I use for drums too it's about the same size as yours, the floor is carpeted and I have hung moving blankets on 3 of the walls and everythig sounds fine in there ...

    Yes, I do not have room for distant micing techniques but I personally subscribe to the less is more theory ... so I rarely use room mics, unless I am in a very large and great sounding room. Distance mics in smaller rooms are kind of silly IMO ...
     
  7. Randyman...

    Randyman... Well-Known Member

    I can't speculate on that - but is the 10x9 room big enough for your control room and equipment (and you, too ;) )? David or someone else may have a more educated answer with your dimensions and options...

    As far as "micing techniques" - room mics won't do too much in a dead room, so you may be better off tight micing? Just spitting out ideas. If the 12x15' room had a tall ceiling, it may lend itself to become a "live room" - otherwise you still pretty much want a dead ceiling. The 15' dimension may be a candidate for diffusion, and this may allow a hair of room verb, but that is about it from my limited knowledge.

    Looks like Kurt beat me to it ;) (at least we concur - I must be learning SOMETHING around here, huh?)

    :cool:
     
  8. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Cool....I'm keeping the small room for drums. I put some Auralex on the ceiling over the drum carpet. The walls are pretty heavily covered as well so I think if I put any more coverage on the ceiling I'm going to make the room too dead.
     
  9. Randyman...

    Randyman... Well-Known Member

    A room that small can't be "too dead" IMO. The reflections are what cause the issues - so the less reflections, the better (take my info with a grain of salt).

    Also consider what frequencies the treatments are actually effective to. You may have a totally dead room in the 1K and up range (you may pass the "Clap test"), but 250Hz may give you MAJOR issues (the "BODY" of the snare's frequency range). Carpet or thin material (less than approx 2" thick) is not too good at low-frequency attenuation at all, and an un-natural low-mid build up can easily occur (relative to the dead 1K and up range). Where are the real "Experts" - I'm just thinking out loud here. :)

    :cool:
     
  10. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Thanks Randyman, Kurt, David, and In Loco.....

    Up to date my recordings haven't been unlistenable taken in account my bad mic technique, consumer Guitar Center gear, and lack of ceiling coverage.

    I put up some Auralex on the ceiling tonight, have been reading a great technique book, and am in the process of upgrading some pieces of gear. Hopefully my next session (2 weeks) will knock my socks off. Now I need to get my ass back to Guitar Center and replace the Auralex I removed from my control room. (None was damaged...this is a rented house so I use T-Pins).
     

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