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S. Twain's new single

Discussion in 'Recording' started by park, Oct 8, 2002.

  1. park

    park Guest

    Does anyone have any facts about
    Mutt and Shaina's new single: what mic used, did they use auto-tune, etc. She doesn't need much help to get a great vocal track but it sounds a llittle more processed than normal.

    I have heard the recording only on the web and it sounds like auto-tune on a couple of spots. The editing of automation data is great
    (vocal "growls" at the perfect level) and the blending of sounds is first rate. A little "metallic" sheen is noticed on some of the vocal EQ parts.

    I was just wondering of some of the specifics of a first class recording.
     
  2. weezy christ

    weezy christ Guest

    bleh, who cares as long as we get to see her belly button, her rack and her ass...HAHAHAH
     
  3. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    It seems as if everything coming out of Nashville these days is auto tuned. I don't much care for it. Take for example "Diamond Rio's "What a Beautiful Mess", the auto tuning is so obvious that it distracts from how good a song it is, at least for me. I can't watch the CMT without my auto tune radar on anymore. Pro Tools is really starting to bug me..On another note, did Mutt Lange record this one? I thought they split up. I saw / heard the video on CMT yesterday and it seemed to me to have a different production sound that her previous releases. Every time I see one of her videos I think of all that cash that is pouring into L. Ron Hubbard's pocket..... Fats
     
  4. park

    park Guest

    The press reports that she and Mutt co-wrote the songs, he [produced and they have a recording studio in their Swiss chalet. I haven't seen any exact credits, however, as to where it was actually recorded.

    I like auto tune as an effect (Cher) but prefer real singing.

    Just as we have a "Dolphin-Safe" sticker on a tuna can, maybe we need an "Auto-Tune-Safe" sticker on a CD.
     
  5. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Ah ha ha ha ha . I Love it! Mrs. Fats loves it too! What a great idea...sort of like the warning label on the side of a pack of cigarettes...Warning, prolonged listening may skew your ability to discern any level of talent
    ......Fats & Mrs. Fats.
     
  6. park

    park Guest

    That said, making a pop single today has little to do with the performer's talent. Let me explain.

    If I was recording a symphony orchestra for a classical session, I would attempt to capture EXACTLY what the group was playing, along with the acoustical effects of the room or auditorium. I want to bring the listener an exact copy of the performance. If the music is bad, it's not my fault.

    With a pop single, I want to create sounds that do not exist in real life. I want to double, triple and whatever track vocals, auto-tune to distraction and edit each and every transient to exactly the perfect meter. I want to create not a photograph but an artistic impression of the song. Surrealist or impressionist, I don't care as long as it's good.

    I am a terrible singer, a moderately bad keyboard player and a lousy drummer. But I am a good editor and I could raise my poor musical talents several magnitudes higher.

    That said, if we take a good and stylist singer like Shania, we can make her magical. The production on her new single is exceptional. Her last album sold 20 million. I bet this one will too.

    And that's the goal.
     
  7. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    The producers are on a POWER TRIP with this one. "Talent sucks but I'm so hot I can make it sound good." The reason the record companies love this is; it gets them out from behind the 8 ball when negotiating with talent. It works for people who are too young to remember what talent sounded like. Yes it sells 20 million and that too is a problem...bean counters running the record companies instead of guys with soul like Jerry Wexler and Tom Dowde. Why do you think everyone still raves about the Beatles? I think that all the studio tricks are cool but they shouldn't be a replacement for talent. Last thing, it doesn't fool me. It might fool the person who hasn't got a clue what they're listening to but I can hear auto tuning. It's plastic, it's fake and it sucks (unless it's used as an effect). The radio in my car is welded to the classic rock station. Fats
     
  8. Don Grossinger

    Don Grossinger Distinguished past mastering moderator Active Member

    I find myself listening to a lot of unprocessed stuff as well:
    the new Sun Records 50th anniv 2 CD set
    Charlie Parker live at the Royal Roost
    Earl Scruggs from 1959-61 live
    Brian Wilson's new Beach Boys compilation
    new Stones SACD reissues
    Simon & Garfunkle new '66 live Carnagie Hall
    Sam Bush
    Leon Russell's first solo album

    It all sounds natural & relaxed
     
  9. weezy christ

    weezy christ Guest

    yup :tu:
     
  10. sserendipity

    sserendipity Member

    FTR, the 'Cher' effect was done with a Korg vocoder foot pedal, and a lot of hand editing.

    Yes, it sounds just like the autotune plugin though.
     
  11. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I read somewhere, the producers of the song said that it was auto tune, not the Korg. Evidently they told a reporter that to see if he "Believed" them just to rattle his chain.....Fats
     

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