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Sebatron or UA-6176...

Discussion in 'Preamps / Channel Strips' started by amg1, Apr 27, 2004.

  1. amg1

    amg1 Guest

    Moving closer to purchase, seriously looking at the UA6176. I do Gospel, Urban, Hip-hop, Rap, etc. I currently have a Focusrite ISA428 as my frontend. Looking at the UA to augment the ISA (offer color options). I've heard it and liked the way it brought out my SP C-1 mic(also looking to add a SoundeluxU-195 and a AT4060).
    Where I normally purchase gear, th UA was recommended out of their offerings according my specifics. I've always had Sebatron on my mind but never having heard it had no basis. But I've thought of, 4 channels Sebatron to 1 channel UA. How does the Sebatron hold up. With the Sebatron I will add the converter card to the ISA into my MOTU 2408 mk3. I'm also looking at addin (2) Saummit TLA-50's for some compression going in.
    Although I realize the 2 are different Pres, but with the Sebatron would I notice a difference in sound quality or are they about equal?

  2. tripnek

    tripnek Active Member

    I have both and find them to be similar in color. Both have there advantages, but I don't think I would say one is better than the other. Just a little different. The big difference is haveing the 1176 on the UA. Now that I have it, I would never want to be with out it. If your going to add Summits to the Seb you may be just as well there, but I've not used one so will reserve judgement on it.
  3. sdevino

    sdevino Active Member

    I have a Sebatron and the UA610. I find I generally like the Sebatron better. It is a little less aggressive sounding and adds a very nice smooth high end that records really well to digital.

    The 1176 is a great old compressor but it has a very specific sound. When thats what you want it can't be beat, but I would not want it hard wired in series with one of my main pres.

    I much prefer the Cranesong Trakker and Distressor in many applications.
  4. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I am pretty sure that the compressor and mic pre sections of the 6176 can be used separately. If not, that would be , IMO, a serious design flaw. That being said, I love my Sebatron vmp-4000e. The only complaint I have about it is I don't own two more ... I have had mine for over a year now and it hasn't missed a beat. Very reliable and well built.

    Compressors, like mic pres, all offer their own color. The 1176 is a very aggressive sound. It is FET based and has a fixed threshold. It is very different than almost any other compressor.. I enjoy having all types of compression available to me at mix and during tracking. Fixed ratio EL OP style comps like the LA2a or the Manly EL OP... The LA 4 is pretty much the same but with the ability to change the compression ratio ... VCA based comps like the DBX's and the Valley Dyna-Mite should not be overlooked as they have a distinctive sound that cannot be had any other way...

    Having only one type of mic, mic pre, compressor is a very limiting place to be in. It is like trying to paint a picture with only blue paint. It can be done but the possibilities are limited..
  5. amg1

    amg1 Guest

    Thanks for the respones, your helping me to make decisions I won't regret later. Here's my thoughts:

    1. Sebatron VMP2000eVU(I like having the meter's)-2 Chl.

    2Summit TLA-50(1 Was already figured in)May purchase 2 for stereo patches, mainly synth, rhodes patches and bass/vocals)

    Total: $2149(I purposefully left out 1 of the TLA-50's as I've already figured it in the overall) vrs. $2195.97 for the UA alone.

    I see the benefit of having the 2 inputs of Sebatron not just for vocals but also the stereo patches I use sometimes, plus the (2) Summit TLA-50's for when desired or neccessary I think is a win win setup.

    I would have liked the 1176 Comp., but I'm also adding the UAD-effects card to my daw in this upgrade. May not be the real joint, but once mixed in I'm sure the majority won't be able to tell plus I have other options with the card.

    Thanks guy's, looking forward to making this step shortly.
  6. JeffreyMajeau

    JeffreyMajeau Active Member

    From my experience, when you want an 1176 or an LA2 or some other "classic" piece of gear on your mix, what you're looking for is the artifacts that are characteristic of that gear. The digital versions sound different than the actual hardware, but they tend to deliver "just the thing" you're looking for when you're thinking of that piece of gear.

    I'd say that the Sebatron is a more versatile box, as it's a bit cleaner and as Steve said, less aggressive. There's going to be stuff that works on the Sebatron and stuff that doesn't. Just the nature of the beast...
  7. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    what about Sebatrons ''Thorax'' I believe its a single channel with EQ and compressor.Talk to him about the details
  8. amg1

    amg1 Guest

    Is this something new?
  9. tripnek

    tripnek Active Member

    The 6176 can be split and both units within used seperatly. I find that the 610 also gets a bad rap on flexibility. With the Gain selection switch, pad and other options added for the 6176, I find the 610 just as flexible as the Seb and can produce a pretty clean sound when desired. I don't think the single or dula channel 610s have as many feature as the one on the 6176. The EQ on the 6176 version is a little more flexible than the Seb. But as I said before, I like both units just as well. Both are great amps. I got my 6176 new for $1870. Being able to record in stereo with the Seb is also a big consideration. I also have a Langevin DVC to thow in when I want that solid state sound. It also can be seperated into preamp and limiter sections. The ELOPs on it sound great with the Sebatrons.
  10. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    yes the Sebatron Thorax is brand spanken new .If you get one get him to autograph it.I know Kurt is wanting to get his hands on one.But you guys should talk to the man himself--SEBATRON because I dont know ANYTHING about it.i KNOW there is a pic of it on his website now
  11. amg1

    amg1 Guest

    Tight! I'm going to look into it.


    Tripnek, how do you like the Langevin? I'm always thinking ahead...
  12. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Man, buy it direct from Australia

    Works out to under US$950 plus freight.
  13. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Well-Known Member

    I found this post to be pretty funny since I am in the same exact boat! I own an ISA428, and am looking for something with a bit more "hair around the edges", and have considered the Sebatron, the UA 6176, and the Great River MP2-NV. Don't get me wrong, I love the 428, but I need to add some more flavors to my aresenal. I also plan on adding a pair of API 512's next year.

    Even with 4 ISA's, and 2 API's, I still need a couple of more pres with some "hair".

    Markd102: thanks for the link to the gta music site. Anyone have any clue how long from Australia to the US? Two weeks???
  14. tripnek

    tripnek Active Member

    The Langevin is a great amp. I have had a Langevin dual mono preamp for sometime now (which is for sale now, can't afford to keep it and the DVC), and find it to have a very clear open uncolored sound. Great for many applications. The EQs are also a nice feature. I just recently got the DVC so I haven't had extensive experience with it yet. The amps and EQs are obviously the same as the dual mono so no suprises there. So far I find the limiters to be somewhat "limited" in there applications but do very well on some instruments. They work great on Vocals and electric guitar. I also like to use the Langevins for my overhead drum mics and the limiters can be useful there if used VERY speringly. I tried using the limiters on other drum applications and bass guitar with generally poor results.
  15. amg1

    amg1 Guest

    Hey Doublehelix, how do you like your ISA428? What types of music have you used it for and with what mics? I'm limited to my SP C-1 right now, but that's changing. I find the ISA a little punchy, no so much colorful, although it does impart a lil something. Do you have the converter card installed? If so do you run the other pre's through it, and how does that workout?
    Tripnek, what are you asking for your Langevin?
  16. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Don't know really. I've posted letters to a friend in Memphis which got there in under a week. So I spose it all depends on type of postage etc. Air, sea, express courier...... depends on what you want to pay for freight and how quickly you want it.

    But when you are saving that much money it's probably worth waiting for. :wink:
  17. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    any idea how much is shipping?
  18. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    No idea how much it is to the States.
    Drop him an email. His name is Wayne.

    I don't know him personally, just had a couple of quotes from him in the past.
  19. pmolsonmus

    pmolsonmus Well-Known Member

    Under menu to the left of this post is "ContactAdmin"

    That should do it.

  20. sdevino

    sdevino Active Member

    I have the Sebatron, the UA610 and the Mp-2NV.
    I would describe them as follows:
    - MP-2NV: not hairy
    - Sebatron: A nice flat top
    - UA610: A full on 70's afro.

    I love the MP2NV for lots of things like vox, bass, kick or snair. My 2nd choice pre is my Earthworks 1022 because it is crystal sparkling clean. I like that for anything acoustic or for drum overheads. The others are getting used mainly for mission specific colors.


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