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Seb's and gearslutz

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by the_gid, Jun 16, 2005.

  1. the_gid

    the_gid Guest

    hey..I was tramping about the internet for information/reviews/anything really on sebatron pre's and came across a thread on a gearslutz forum.

    man! are they some hateful people.. flaming people left right and center - if you aint pro it seems you're not worth talking to over there.

    well that was the general consensus I took from the majority of posts i read

    I would just like to commend all RO brethren for their patience and downright decency when it comes to helping all of those of us who aren't necessarily hotter than hot when it comes to recording. AND for being so civilised (in general :twisted: ) :wink: and welcoming to all newcomers to the forums.

    sorry if this counts as a complete non-post
  2. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, they can get a bit like that over at "The Slutz". But If you want to see egos, head over to The Marsh.
    There are some BIG personalities there!

    But yes, many "Gear Snobs" automatically poo poo gear like Sebatron without even them, just because they aren't a "name brand"..... yet ;)
  3. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Do you have any links to the thread? 'd like to see what they are saying about Sebs ...
  4. the_gid

    the_gid Guest

    apologies - this thread is VERY old

    ( dead link removed)

    makes for good reading all the same.
    -there's a pretty big dig at you Kurt..what's with that?!
  5. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    There's a couple of threads that are generally on the positive side, but they are obviously still not counting them in the "name brand" league. Generally I found that when they are mentioned in general conversation they are pretty much just ignored.
  6. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I did a search and I saw that. I think it has something to do with my not liking crappy cheap stuff. A lot of those guys were wondering why I got the first review on Sebatrons. That seemed to get some peoples undies bunched up. Sour grapes IMO (damn! there's that ego again!) At least I'm not forgetable .... hee hee hee.
  7. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    yes very old thread

    typical Fletcher too

    If I were a manufacturer here in Australia I probably could be bothered sending a unit to Fletcher to review either.

    Why would you bother ?

    If he reviewed it and loved it, he would want to order many and then put a Mercenary tag on it .... A small Aust manufacturer could never make enough for him and then you would have to change the structure of you company just to satisfy him.

    If he didn't like it he would be all over the net putting you down.

    ... as I said, why bother cos there is very little to be gained.
    I know of a couple of Australian manufacturers that feel this way.
  8. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Well put Kev.

    While I respect Fletcher's experience, I can't stand his rants. He is the biggest Gear Snob on the planet! AND DON'T YOU DARE DISAGREE WITH HIM! ;)
    I actually think that he has a huge chip on his shoulder about quality recording equipment becoming affordable to the masses.
  9. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    I have that chip on my shoulder as well ... I admit it.

    The thing about Fletcher is, he knows what he is talking about but you can't trust what he says because it is tainted with bias towards products he sells.

    In regards to consoles with cheap power supplies he says things like;

    Yet he speaks glowingly of a certain mic pre which uses a very cheesy 8v wall wart ... It doesn't seem consistent to me. I wonder what he would say about that pre if it was made in Australia by a small company he wasn't a friend of?

    I like Fletcher in an odd way ... I think he and I are on the same page most of the time but I do not care for his bullying tactics and I take what he says with a grain of salt when it comes to products he sells.
  10. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    I think his is WAY bigger!
    At least you are willing to help newbies. Flecther doesn't have the patience for anyone outside of a professional commercial facility.
  11. the_gid

    the_gid Guest

    yeah - RO seems more like a community - a pool of knowledge etc etc..

    whereas gearslutz just seems to me to be like constant bitching about one thing or the other

    -wehey Kurt you broke 7000
  12. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Yeah ... I gotta get a life!!!
  13. FifthCircle

    FifthCircle Well-Known Member

    With all due respect, don't go and slam other forums... It isn't respectful of the other forums out there and it isn't respectful of other members (some of which are here as well). If you don't like it, don't join in, but threads like this aren't needed here.

  14. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    i cant really hold it agienst FLetcher that he only promotes what he sells as i see like this, only sell what you beleave in. if he only sells what HE likes then it would make sence that he only recomends what he sells. the only thing ive ever had agienst fletcher is i havent seen him here in 3-4 months and he seems to have a personale vendeta agienst kurt.
  15. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    You know what....I'm glad you spend time helping because not many people with your knowledge would give a rats ass about helping a kid trying to get started in the business!

    Kurt, you are a gear snob, but I like that! You help the inexperienced and experienced alike. In all of my posts that you have replied to...you've answered with honesty and helpful advice regardless if the topic has been discussed or if it was a stupid newbie question. Some people in this community are so quick to give attitude and will go to great lengths to make you feel stupid and not offer any help in their reply! It gets old quick.

    It disgusts me that people can walk around like they are god's gift because they are good at something (like "the slutz").

    I'm not trying to kiss ass here, but I just wanted to say thank you!
  16. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Yeah, I get that ... I only like to review stuff I know I'm going to like.

    To be fair, that thread is very old and many of those involved have mellowed out a little. Fletcher has sent me many polite emails and even supplied the RNP I evaluated .... and he has said that he actually thinks I write a reasonably decent review. Not great, but ok. Since he's not here to defend himself, it's probably not fair to talk about him.

    I have learned to read between the lines when he (or any one for that matter) says something. I think that's probably a good thing to do with anyone who offers a lot of advice on these BBs ... think of it as a little data to consider but don't trust any one person for all your info. Fact check, make sure what they are saying is right (no one's perfect) .. and most important, listen and judge for yourself.
    and that's th' truth! phhhhhhht :!:
  17. sheet

    sheet Well-Known Member

    I have consulted Fletcher many times. I think that anyone who talks about him pushing only what he sells, is completely uneducated and has no true purchase expereience with Fletcher.

    I can't tell you how many times he has refered me to other companies that he does not sell, or has highly suggested a used piece for the job.

    Mercenary has a great try it policy. Fletcher will send you something to try out. If you don't like it, return it for a credit on your card or try something else until you get the right piece. Can't do that at GC, eh?
  18. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    err ... :roll:
    we were not talking about purchasing through him
    selling through him.

    Some of his competitors and manufacturers may tell a different story to a consumer's story.

    it is good to be a good customer of Mercenary
  19. sheet

    sheet Well-Known Member

    I must not understand the dynamics of the original question, hidden somewhere. Because the original topic had to do with Gearslutz and other slamming Sebatron. Then it morphed into Fletcher is opinionated and pushes only what he sells.

    My point is this. So what? It isn't true, from a buyer's point of view. And if it was, so what? If you owned a tire store that sold Yokahama's, and I came in asking for Goodyears, would you tell me yours are better and then suggest something while I am there? Sure. Or else you would be a moron and a poor one at that.

    From a manufacturer to dealer standpoint....so what? Mercenary sells high end stuff for the most part. Big deal. So they may pick up some band for the buck stuff. They have to if they want to sell where the majority of the market is.

    If you want a slut company that doesn't discriminate, then buy from GC Pro, or some big machine like that. If you want to buy from someone that has a clue, then buy from them. The power is yours, because you have the money.
  20. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Great point. All of what you said is true. And I think we all could agree that they know their stuff over at Mercenary. And you can't say that about GC. :(
    But when you are smart enough to know who is unbiased from who is not, and who only says what they think based on what they have to gain from profit. Then it helps to listen to people who know other people better than you.
    Mostly because we all do not have much money to work with, and we will die before the wrong doings of capitalizm suck us under.

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