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Second LA-610, convince otherwise.

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by pcrecord, Dec 2, 2014.

  1. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Hi there,

    I sold a couple of things on eBay and I'll get around 1k available by the end of the month
    Many of you know about my setup :
    1 Focusrite Liquid saffire 56
    1 UA 4-710 (adat to the 56)
    2 ISA Two (through the 4-710 converters)
    1 UA LA-610 mk1 (Through a mytek AD96 converter to the 56)
    1 DBX 576 which I want to replace. (to the AD96)

    I thought a lot about a second used LA-610 mk1 which fits to my budget.
    My idea is to have a pair of LA for either vocals, acoustic guitars, bass or any combinaison of those.

    I could save a bit for a LA-610 mk2 but I feel having 2 mk1 is a better approach
    Someday, I could even change the tubes of both units to make them a better match.

    I was not about to buy gear without asking here if I'm on the wrong path..

    You thoughts ?
  2. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    I think you should follow your instincts, pal.

    You know best what you want your workflow to be. You seem to really like the 610, and having a pair of them would allow you to process either multiple instruments/vox or strap them to a drums/bass or a backing vox submix, or even to the 2-Bus.

    If you are happy with the 610 you have now, and you feel that a second one would benefit you, far be it for me to talk you out of it.

    I guess I would ask how you are sitting mic-wise. Are you happy with your current mic locker? Or do you feel that you need something else to round it out?
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  3. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    A second LA-610 would be nice, and for variety, you could go for the Mk II, particularly if you wanted to use it for lower-output microphones, since the noise levels are significantly less than the Mk I.

    However, if you had thoughts about getting another Mk I in the hope that you could have a pair of them working together (e.g. on the 2-bus), then you would need stereo linking facilities which the 610 does not have. This is quite apart from the difficulty of being able to match the compression characteristics of a new unit to your existing one.
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  4. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Thanks Donny, I try to have at least a pair of everything. The LA-610 is my best preamp and a pair will be used often, that's for sure ;)

    As for mics :
    2 ksm44, 1 ksm32, 2 Cascade Fat Head Ribbon
    4 akg c1000s, 1 c2000b, Akg drum kit with 4 c418, D112
    1 Sennheiser E602, 2 E835, 2 sm57, 1 MD421, 1 Studio project C1

    At some point I'll be looking for a couple more vocal mic (a tl103 and/or some tube mic)
    But I'm not badly served for now.
  5. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I'm aware of the advantages of the MK2 and that's why I created this thread just to shake my decision. With lower-output microphones like ribbons, I actually use the ISAs preamp which gives me more than enough power but of course it could be nice to have a different preamp option...
    Using it on the 2-bus wasn't my intention but I can't say I won't re-amp a bass or another instrument at some point. I've tried to process a mix with 2 channels on the 4-710 once and I know very well, it's hard to match the gain and comp on a L/R signal...
    By having a second mk1, my intention is mainly for tracking and my idea was to have the closest match as possible for stereo tracking X/Y or Mid/Side or Blumlein.
    I guess the sound of both units will be similar. I mean I doubt the difference will throw me off my chair. Am I wrong ? ;)
    Any of you compared both ?
  6. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    My point was that the LA-610 does not have any facility for stereo linking, so although you can use them as pre-amps, you cannot use the compressor section of a pair of them on a stereo signal of any sort (X-Y pair, M-S pair, 2-bus mix etc) no matter how closely matched their individual compressor characteristics happen to be. If you are happy to get another LA-610 Mk I and use it together with your present unit purely as pre-amps for a stereo-generating mic pair, then that's great, and you should be able to enjoy their lovely sound in stereo.

    I've been at sessions where there was an X-Y pair of AKG C414s going through LA-610 pre-amps, but I've never heard mics in M-S configuration through them, so there's a degree of envy going on here. One advantage of M-S usage is that it's much less sensitive to differences between the M and S channel pre-amps, but I'm not sure I would extend that to using a Mk I as one channel and a Mk II in the other, although it's a thought.
  7. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Very True ! In those cases, I would need to bypass the comp or put the peak reduction to zero. Thanks for reminding me. ;)

    I will certainly make some tests and post a few here
  8. Tommy osuna

    Tommy osuna Active Member

    I have the 610 love it also for that cool mojo I also got the Pacifica by a designs which I have been using a lot lately . I have to say there two different animals . I also like that it's a single space with 2 pre amps in it

    I realize you would have to save a bit more but I think It would be worth the wait

    They have the punch that the 1073'3 have with a real cool high end that's for lack of tech terms very focused

    Cool love cool gear :)
  9. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    Maybe a Manley tube mono. It's nice it's clean, but analog clean, and still has some thicker lower mid tube vibe. I think you'd find it a lot more versatile than the 610, and of somewhat of a different nature. If u can get your hands on an older one better. I've paired it w 414s on vocals and 57s on dirty organ keys, and it's is a killer killer di for clean and electronic type stuff. Expensive but A different animal than the 6-10, and if u saved a couple hundred more u could probably get one.
  10. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I've ordered my second LA-610. I'll posts some stereo tests soon ;)
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Kyle, whats the difference between the DI on this and say a GR MP 2NV? Or, what is your interpretation to being killer to other DI's?
  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I love UA gear in pairs.
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  13. Gette

    Gette Active Member

    Funny, this comes up.... This is what I just finished working on, Friday afternoon.... image.jpg
  14. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    That looks pretty sweet inside there.
  15. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    LOL... gear porn. "Man, look at the size of the capacitors on her!"... LOL ;)
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  16. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    i just want to touch her knobs
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  17. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    She's got some of the nicest tubes I've ever seen. That's right mama, c'mon now, heat those babies up! Whoa baby! ;)
  18. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    That's great, pc. From your mention of stereo tests, I'm assuming you went for another Mk I rather than a Mk II.
  19. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Exactly Boswell, If budget had permit it, It would have been 2 x mkII but it's not possible for now.
    I'm sure a pair will do an excellent job on various sources compared to my other preamps. And sonics aside, they will look good together !! :)
  20. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Nice Gette, what did you do on it ?
    Do they have common problems that repair shops know about ?

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