1. Register NOW and become part of this fantastic knowledge base forum! This message will go away once you have registered.

Shot down by Studio Chicago!

Discussion in 'Recording' started by therecordingart, Mar 20, 2005.

  1. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    One of the two places that I contacted about a possible un-paid internship was Studio Chicago.

    I just got the phone call right now and was told that they won't consider me for two reasons:

    1. I have a home studio and it's a conflict of interest
    2. I don't have a degree in audio

    Well that sucks.....time to try to not feel too bad and keep working hard! It's really hard to not feel bad about it....but moping around will get me absolutely nowhere. At least they called me back...that showed respect and I like that!

    Hopefully Gravity Studios calls me back with something positive!

    Sorry for a pointless post.
  2. Thomaster

    Thomaster Guest

    i wish you goodluck, mate
    keep your head up :cool:
  3. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Thanks, Thomaster!

    I can see their logic behind it....makes sense that when you run a large studio that you don't a person working there that will undercut you....even though I wouldn't do that!

    The education thing is a little bit of a double edged sword. A degree doesn't mean crap IMO. I personally know people with Masters Degrees (not in audio) that are complete schmucks and I know high school dropouts that are some of the most successful people that I've ever seen. One of them has a net worth of 17 million dollars and now moved to La Paz, Mexico to do absolutely nothing with the rest of his life....he is only 32 years old with a 9th grade education, but a wizard with writing computer software and real estate!
  4. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    Jan 31, 2005
    Lowell MA
    Home Page:
    I would say his second reason is bull and he knows it. We all know a degree is just a nice little piece paper we earn to have to pat ourselves on the back with. You most likely have better skills and knowledge then most do coming out of an audio school with a degree. You have experience and that is more important than a peice of paper. The first reason has some validity but its only because he's afraid that you'll take business away from the studio in one form or another.
  5. Johnson Cabasa

    Johnson Cabasa Active Member

    Sep 5, 2003
    have you tried pressure point studios i worked out there a few nonths ago and it seemed like they needed osme help
  6. Reggie

    Reggie Distinguished Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    Well, at least they didn't give you this reason:
    3. Because you suck. :lol:

    About the degree thing, in a way it is just a piece of paper; but a lot of companies use it as a kind of litmus test or something. If you have the "piece of paper," then they know you have a little more desire to learn, stick-to-it-iveness, and perhaps smarts then the average bear. It doesn't really give you THAT much real world knowledge, but it does mean that you have accomplished something that not just any schmuck can do. It helps companies weed out their choices a little.
    Sorry that it works against you.
  7. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    I'll give them a shot....thank you!
  8. JoeH

    JoeH Distinguished Member

    Jun 22, 2004
    Philadelphia, PA/ Greenville, DE
    Home Page:
    I'll bet you the REAL reason they're not hiring is because they're not BUSY enough.

    Don't believe the crap about the home studio thing, either. What kind of NONSENSE is that?!?!? IF you're working THERE for them, you can't be at home taking biz away from them. And if it IS a serious enough issue, they can ask you to sign a non-compete form - which is pretty standard practice anyway, for any clients that might book time there; you obviously CAN'T take them away to your own place. (It's unethical at least, and grounds for termination, certainly. ) Where did they THINK you made your demo, anyway? At ANOTHER commerical studio somewhere?

    Plus, if they don't want you working at home, then they should offer you a basic guaranteed amount of hours per week to keep you happy (and out of your studio!)

    They probably did you a favor, and in the long run, you'll be all the better for it. Keep your chin up, and keep doing what you're doing, learning along the way, and making recordings where you learn something each time out.

    Most commercial studios open to the public for walk-ins are a tough gig; it's a no-win situation many times. IMHO it's far better to be an indie and write your own ticket, if you can hang in there and make that a reality someday. (Check back on them in a year and see how they're doing.) It's a tough time to be in the commercial studio business, and anyone with half a brain is doing it for themselves anyway.

    Learn from this.
  9. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Thanks, Joe. I'm looking at it as a good thing.
  10. wwittman

    wwittman Active Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Well this is sort of why I was uneasy about you're sending a demo reel.

    The home studio thing seems a bit spurious but I can ALMOST see how they might see you as a potential competitor.

    The second reason is nonsense.

    A place that doesn't intend to TRAIN you is not a place you want to be anyway.

    good luck in the continuing search.
  11. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Thank you very much....I really appreciate all of the help and responses I've been getting!
  12. Good luck to you, therecordingart.

    But I don't think you realize how good you have it, right now!! While you might not be working on a large-format console, have a senior Engineer to mentor you, etc. I think you can make great strides in a home studio and really hone your chops.

    These days a great 'reel' and real credits can get you noticed! Perhaps by a freelance eng who is Chicago-based. You'd win out by your experience and your bold determination to reach out to those guys / gals.

    What about music for film/TV work? Or video games, voiceovers or the like?
  13. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    I don't know the first thing on how to get into sound for film/tv, games, and such....otherwise I'd be all over it.
  14. LittleDogAudio

    LittleDogAudio Active Member

    Sep 24, 2004
    Conflict of interest?
    That's BS.

    Almost every intern that I've taught (dozens and dozens) had a home studio (and I would expect them to). And, almost every intern brought me way more work than took from me.

    When an intern is thriving and learning in my studio, I usually offer them a super-low/late-night rate, so that they can bring in thier own bands and use the sessions as a learning experiance.

    If this studio feels threatened by an intern with a home-studio, they have a whole other set of issues to be addressed, like why can an intern with a home studio take business from us.

    You've got's to give to receive!


    MAESTRO Guest


    both reasons are BS.i experienced a similar situation about 12 years ago when i got started. forget them. as all know with the recording business, hands on is the best education you can possibly get.sure knowing why certain buttons and knobs do certain thins is fine but in the end it is all about how it sounds.those fools should know by this time anyway that there is enough business for everyone. so that is really bs about a conflict of interest
  16. J-3

    J-3 Active Member

    Jul 20, 2004
    I'm just wondering why exactly you want to work out of another studio? For experience? To meet people? If you have a nice home studio then why not stay where you are and perfect your skill? Are you getting good results in your project studio? My experience working in bigger studios is kinda jaded I guess but I find I can make a lot better music at my own pace in my own shop.

    I have guys that want to intern with me and I have bigger studios that have wanted me to work with them. I've never put much thought into either. Don't know that I want to. I guess the point of my long winded post is......Why EXACTLY do you want to intern in a larger facility?
  17. wwittman

    wwittman Active Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Have you checked this place?
    anywhere near you?
    just looked interesting.

  18. therecordingart

    therecordingart Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Why I want to work in a commercial studio? To meet people and gain more experience.

    I have heard about that studio, but never checked them out....thanks!
  19. Don Schenk

    Don Schenk Active Member

    Jan 10, 2003
    Home Page:
    your attitude


    You've got the right attitude...a stick-to-it attitude with the desire to succeed...now to find the studio that is hiring at the point in time when they are hiring.

    I'm thinking back to the time my wife had just finished college and was going on to graduate school. She wanted an entry level job in her field of study, but the jobs were scarce because her field was oversaturated.

    As she went from job interview to job interview she carried a stack of thank-you notes and some postage stamps with her. When she would get to her car after the job interview she would simply write a thank-you not to whoever had interviewed her, thanking them for seeing her...and popped the note in a mail box.

    Almost nobody ever thinks to do that.

    Guess what? The interviewers were astounded! Every job interview she went to called her back! She had her choice of jobs!

    The squeeky wheel gets the grease, and sometimes you just have to keep recontacting the studios that have interviewed you...and do so over and over every couple of months until you hit one when they have an opening. It's a lot like direct mail advertising...one letter doesn't sell the product, but 13 letters in a row month after month do the trick and get the sale.
  20. 187

    187 Guest

    Im not sure if I understand why you would want a job in a "true" studio...alot of them are closing the doors because of the technology given too us consumers to set up shop at home thus not needing them as much as we used too...If your an engineer I can see why studios are still open and why you would want to work in one but if thats not the case there's really no point.

Share This Page