Show me the worst.....

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by Big K, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    Heya, folks...

    I am collecting examples of the worst Mastering Works on Earth...WOOOT???
    for a future RO ME forum project I am thinking of.

    So, if you know any really bad mastering jobs on CDs, please, post the name of the CD and band in this thread!!
    Because it is not intended to humiliate any Engineers for their works, maybe dating half a lifespan back, there is no need to mention any names of the executing mastering engineers.

    I am looking foreward to receive your very

  2. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    This could be an interesting topic but my question is "How can we know" if it is a bad Mastering job and not a bad mix? Bad and squashed mixes are all over ! In my opinion, it is very hard to know without hearing a before/after example.

  3. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    I think, in most cases we are able to distinguish bad mixes and mastering and pick only those were it is obvious.
    If in doubt, we can let those tracks aside or use them as example how not to do it and check if we can still better the sound and what tools work the best for that.
  4. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    That really is a rough one... Some of the worst sounding stuff that comes out of here shows some of the most improvement. What I would consider a "great" mastering job on some pretty lousy recordings.

    And no doubt, many of them still sound lousy. Even if they're much better - Or much less irritating (lack of a better term).
  5. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    I agree with everyone on anything... even on yet unheard

    Before we sink a delicate frail attempt to form an idea for a future thread to the bottom of the sea...
    let's wait, if anybody wants to suggest any CDs of some known bands, at all.
    Up to now, sorting them out is not keeping my sekretary very busy..
  6. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    I don't have a copy anymore, but the worst I ever saw was a prerecorded backing track that someone wanted to sing in front of (I think for a wedding). It had dynamic range of a sort - soft, medium, and loud parts. But each part was an absolute brick. The waveform looked like someone was playing Tetris. The sound was absolute mush. I did what I could, but I didn't know much at the time, and I'm sure I couldn't do much with it now. Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
  7. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    I'll throw something in sideways -- I'd love to hear the "pre-crushed-to-death" version of Wolfmother's first album. I'm not accusing the mastering guy of crushing it - It may have been a Metallica situation where it was smashed to death before it got there. But I'd love to hear what those tunes sound like "for real" as opposed to what they sounded like on the shelf...
  8. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    Hahaha, .. yes, I worked on 2 demo productions myself, lately, that had the dynamic range of a -0 dB test I could give them some up & down wiggles back on the wave signature,
    but I still think, deleting them for good would have been a brave duty to the art of music... Uncompressing... a story of frustration and despair....
    I pressed them hard to get me other versions, but I was simply stuck with the existing mixes.....Biiiig Suck!!..

    How about letting the day-to-day work aside and concentrate on well-known CD productions by famous bands with reasonable budgets ??
    The 2 candidates, I have in mind for a start, I need to re-check if it actually was mastering that destroyed them or a brainless Vinyl master-to-CD job, done by a pre digital saurian...
    Maybe you know them, as well, and maybe in another, better version...: Phil Collins "No Jacket required" and Jethro Tull "Crest of a Knave".
  9. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    I find that most of the crushed to death stuff comes in that way. I'm not seeing nearly as many requests to smash something in the last couple of years as the years before.
  10. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    Some do, some don't abuse dynamic processors...
    Failures in mixing or mastering are not restricted to dynamic. There are many productions out there which just sound bad. The two I named above for example...

    Are there any more you know, dear members and MEs???

    Rise and shine... !!!!
    Gimme some INPUT, please... !!!!

    View attachment 591 Don't just sit there on your fat
  11. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    That chair, sweat crack fumes penetrating over time is all I'm imagining.
  13. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    LOL.... Think of the noise floor...


    ANYBODY ???

    This would be a good occasion to learn about the trade of mastering and engineering...
  14. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    Is this an "Online Mastering Engineer" pic?
  15. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    No, that is my new intern and he is a smart, very agile whiz kid.
    He is also the son of the local brewery owner and brother-in-law to our fav Pizza

    We all love him ... Do you want to see him from the front ???
  16. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    I think I just threw up in my mouth.
  17. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    You can be so ....disgusting...
    I think, I have a nausea through my nose, ...right now...

    He would have worn a posing pouch, of course.
    It is his favourite garment at work, anyhow.
    It took a bit of getting used to, but in the end...
    Free beers and Pizzas makes him look glorious in any


    Where are the worst mastering jobs of the world....
    I guess, there are none, then....they're all perfect...
    Strange with that lot of bad sounding music around...

  18. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    I understand there was a Lou Reed LP released using the wrong master, the one without the RIAA curve encoded. They later corrected the mistake with the CD release by remembering to use the right master, the one with the RIAA curve. I'll see if I can get the title for you.

    I've read that RHCP's Californication was limited to death.

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