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Sinatra's mic?Vintage Sinara/Ocean Way clips/questions

Discussion in 'Vintage Analog Gear' started by BobRogers, Apr 13, 2011.

  1. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    I found this clip pretty interesting. Two questions: What is Sinatra's mic? Who is the (left-handed) conductor? Looks too old to be Nelson Riddle.
     
  2. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Looks like a Neumann KM54 with the optional ball-type windscreen accessory that they offered in that era of the recording.
    And I don't care WHO he is, he ain't smokin' in MY room!
     
  3. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Thanks for that. Wonderful to see/hear. I like the last comment on the site.
    I also found it amusing Sinatra stated that if the kids would enunciate their words he might be more interested in what they were singing and their music.
     
  4. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Bill Miller the conductor maybe?
     
  5. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Thanks for sharing that Bob,what a class act. So relaxed in the studio eh. Things have changed indeed.
     
  6. pmolsonmus

    pmolsonmus Well-Known Member

    1965 is probably Gordon Jenkins at the podium. Can't say I ever saw him conduct before, but the arrangements are dynamite. (conducting not so much)

    I grew up on this stuff - especially fond memories of "Frank and Splank" with Sinatra/Count Basie and arrangements by a young guy named Quincy Jones.

    The thing I like about Sinatra's swing approach is always his timing. He usually puts beginning consonants on the beat which puts him slightly behind the beat with the word and it creates this relaxed groove.

    I kind of ignored his stuff early in my development because it was the days of "New York, New York" and I was "above" that drivel in college music courses, but coming back to it with a critical ear was really uncovering a gold mine. Thanks for the link.

    Phil
     
  7. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Songwriters Hall of Fame - Gordon Jenkins Biography
     
  8. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Interview with Bill Miller, Al Viola and others musicians about Frank. Great stories! - Frank Sinatra Family Forum
     
  9. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Looks like his picture. Probably right. I'm just glad to see him conducting left handed! Give me hope. I've tried to conduct right handed and I look like a wounded duck. My daughter says that no one would look at me if I conducted lefty. Classical musicians are such sissys.

    Yeah, I felt the same way when I was a kid, but learned to really appreciate the craft and enjoy the songs later in life. Wee Small Hours, Only the Lonely, Songs for Swingin' Lovers - great albums. Put 'em on, send the kids to grandmas house.

    You know the great vocalist from that era who really came as a revelation to me - Fred Astaire. Seriously. He's vastly under appreciated as a singer. Sings very straight, but the timing is impeccable (no surprise there).
     
  10. pmolsonmus

    pmolsonmus Well-Known Member

    I really dug Tony Bennett and Joe Williams, had some rare recordings of Tony with McCoy Tyner and several other Coltrane players. He could really swing as well, but his $ was ballads (great stuff with Bill Evans).

    My world really opened up when I heard Mark Murphy though. Light bulb "Aha" moment - OHHHH, THAT's what a white guy singing jazz can sound like."
    Still my favorite jazz singer and a guy who experiments on the band stand every night.

    Had a chance to hang out and have a few drinks with Mark, Kurt Elling, Jon Henricks, and Peter Estridge (The 4 brothers) a few years ago. That was a great night.
     
  11. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Well-Known Member

    I have a KM 54 and the body is much smaller than what was in the video. At least that's how it appeared to me. And the capsule is not removable. It's still Multi-pattern, side address so this can't be a KM 54. And it certainly doesn't appear to be Putnam engineering either? Obviously Frank didn't insist on no smoking recording sessions either. Imagine inviting audience members that never coughed or sneezed. I didn't see any of them smoking either. When you wanted that mellow vocal sound, you would use cigarettes instead of ribbon microphones.

    Cough cough wheeze
    Mx. Remy Ann David
     
  12. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    I watched the session, then some more of the documentary then spent three hours this morning learning Fly Me to the Moon. Lost track of time and was late someplace and it's basically your fault.
     
  13. pmolsonmus

    pmolsonmus Well-Known Member

    I didn't have this info, but a quick search turned up some additional great information.
    and pics.

    Remixing
    web.mac.com/mlutthans/iWeb/Site%206b/Remixing.html
    sorry if you'll miss your next appt too!
     
  14. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    This is some very great stuff! My Dad had ALL the Sinatra records as well as the Count, Mario Lanza and bunch of others that I listened to almost constantly.

    So this is all his fault. Thanks Papa....
     
  15. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Well-Known Member

    Dave, it just sounds like he was walking the dog?

    woof
    Mx. Remy Ann David
     
  16. lambchop

    lambchop Active Member

    I was always a fan of Fred Astaire's song renderings. Growing up I would listen to WNEW-AM in my 64' Belair coming back from a gig. Interestingly enough, Astaire did not consider himself a good singer and would say, "Anybody would sound good if they had people like George Gershwin, Harold Arlen, Irving Berlin, Cole Porter, and Jerome Kern writing songs for them".

    I just did a quick Google search and here's a list of the songs that Fred Astaire introduced.

    List of songs introduced by Fred Astaire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Pretty impressive!
     
  17. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    According to Terry Teachout, Astaire was Irving Berlin and Cole Porter's favorites singer. Probably because he doesn't deviate much from what's on the page. Of course, as a dancer he was a more creative artist, but as a singer he was a great craftsman. Very good to listen to if you are trying to hear the songwriter's intention.
     
  18. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    frank.jpg

    When they recorded like this one here, are they using gates on everyone, or at least Frank?
     
  19. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    I seriously doubt it. Thats , more than likely, a 'posed' shot. Frank loved his audience and fans
     
  20. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Of course back in them days the audience may have smoked but otherwise were quiet as church mice. A gate wouldn't have been needed for them and I'm pretty sure at most of Sinatra's daytime sessions there were "friends" present. Some of the midnight sessions even had guests according to some of the session players. Also notice that in this photo and in the video Bob posted, the band is in the null of the mic.
     

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