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Studio design Floorplan opinions

Discussion in 'Room Acoustics / Studio Design' started by Josh Graves, Mar 8, 2015.

  1. Josh Graves

    Josh Graves Active Member

    I'm currently working on upgrading my studio and need some help on floor plan ideas that best suit the room and the acoustics in the room.
    Below is 2 images one with the dimension in the empty room and the other is my initial idea. Let me know what you think would be the best use of this space. Screen Shot 2015-03-05 at 9.41.21 PM.png Screen Shot 2015-03-07 at 5.15.12 PM.png






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  2. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Wow, I love the imaging software you are using! Kudo's. Your setup looks really nice.
     
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  3. Josh Graves

    Josh Graves Active Member

    It's online at floorplanner.com
     
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  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Thanks for the link, Josh!

    @Ethan Winer Looks like Josh could use your advice. :)
     
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  5. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    @Chris @Ethan Winer @Josh Graves

    I'd be interested to hear what Ethan thinks about having your mixing position shoved up against the front wall as you've shown in your plan.

    In my last control room, I had my mixing position in the center of the room, to help to alleviate any early reflections hitting my ears before the other reflections in the room did. I would think that being that close to the front wall would mean that you'd be getting a lot of early reflections from the boundaries that are closest. Although, with the right traps, diffusion and/or absorbers, that could likely be fixed, or at least, vastly improved.

    Acoustics aside, I'm not sure I'd worry about building a "lounge". That space could be put to better logistical use... Drums, amps, horns, acoustic guitars while doing a vocal, anything that you could use as part of the actual recording process.

    Tell the bands that their girlfriends should stay at home when they are recording. ;)
     
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  6. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Positioning is important to me. My sweet spot is approx 1/3 into this room. Once I found the position to where my room scoped out well, both with measurement software and my traditional 30 year approach doing the walk about test... Once the entire studio was treated and in place I spent a fair amount of detail just tweaking speaker height and where my head is. I think Ethan has a really good video on how he recommends doing this, which he may point to, or post it here which would be welcomed.
    Using mirrors etc is all helpful.
    Basically I always follow the 1/3 rule and pay attention to front, back walls and all the corners and above me.

    I mix at low volumes and take breaks a lot. Its never been the complicated nightmare some make it out to be.:notworthy: I take acoustics really serious but at some point, it is what it is. I learn my room and adjust my ears to compensate.
    At some point, you just need to be good at what you do. Speakers that suit you and your room are as important.

    +2
     
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  7. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Nice and good looking plan.
    I just started to approach questions with those :
    how professional do you want the sound to be ?
    How profesionnal the work in it can become ?
    what instruments are you gonna record exactly and what kinds of music?
    What kind of budget do you have and what kind of revenu do you think you'll get out of it ?
    First thing that is bugging me is the open wall to the lounge. If you are to have a lounge for people to chill and have a good time, they will disturbe you by the noises they will make for sure. I'd close the gap with a door, but that's just me ;)
     
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  8. Josh Graves

    Josh Graves Active Member

    The majority of my current clients are rappers and/or vocalists, So the booth is going to be used for booth vocals and hopefully this will allow for more genres. The main point of the booth is that a lot of my clients bring people with them for support or whatever they want to call it. My main goals are to have it acoustically sound and professional. I have a budget in mind around $6000. Revenue has been steadily climbing with my current setup a booth that is 6 X 7 in a spare bedroom with the control room outside in a smaller room( room within a room) so I attic pate to recover expenses with standard business deductions and an increase of clients/and or prices to compensate. Hope that helps!
     
  9. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I get you Josh. A clean and pro place can pay off quickly !

    I went to your RO profil, do you still record with that gear ?
    DAW Program:
    Logic Pro
    Gear Profile:
    Scarlett 18i20, Blue BlueBird, 2 Rokit 8s
    If so, I would try to put a part of that money for at least a high end pre and a couple of mic alternative. This too will help you get more genres and business!
    Just saying ! ;)
     
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  10. Josh Graves

    Josh Graves Active Member

    Yes. I mostly work with Logic Pro 9 and 10 but also am decent in protools and other DAWs.
     
  11. Josh Graves

    Josh Graves Active Member

    Here's another option I really like. Bass traps in the corners of the booth of course. Screen Shot 2015-03-09 at 9.03.45 PM.png
     
  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    The lounge looks like a cool Idea, a great place to use for creating as well, BUT! have you ever watch Peter Gabriell's video on his Railway Real World studio ( I think its called something like that) , which is very focused on the larger control room as the place where it all happens. I tend to think Control Room studios are where its at today. Its how I have been doing it for years. I love it.
     
  13. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Logic will deliver quite nicely. The target of my question was more about the bluebird and the scarlett which are very good for the price but not considered high end.
    I'm not saying to buy a U81. But getting an focusrite ISA one with digital option and either a AKG 414 or a Shure KSM44 or a Neuman TLM 103 would make an excellent step up. (why the ISA? because of the digital option which can go directly to the digital input of the 18i20 and avoid loosing quality buy going through the preamps of the 18i20). Of course there is many better preamps.. but it would be my first high end step ;)
     
  14. Josh Graves

    Josh Graves Active Member

    I will definetely need to improve equipment once this construction in finished but that will come after expenses from construction are recuperated. Is a square room Vs. a octagon room better? The purpose of the lounge for me is to provide a more private environment for the vocalist and me to communicate but still allow the friends and support that an artist brings with them. I am interested in having a bigger workspace for me and the vocalist as well. I just want this room to be the best I can afford and provide a good workspace for further growth, for me this is the step before leasing a space. Thank you for all the comments and help so far!! It's great and very helpful.
     
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  15. Reverend Lucas

    Reverend Lucas Active Member

    I'm not an expert, but would favor bigger acoustical spaces instead of the lounge. Comfortable creative spaces are important, too. In general, 'square' rooms with walls that are the same width as length should be avoided as this concentrates nodes at particular frequencies and can wreak acoustical havoc. Having different wall dimensions alleviates this.
     
  16. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    pick up this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/143545717X/?tag=recording.org-20

    Before you pick up the power tools.
     
  17. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    The original floor layout is the better of the bunch imo. The rooms keep getting smaller and smaller, this is the exact opposite of what you need acoustically.

    There are some options to keeping that lounge and using it to make your room acoustically larger. your vocal booth doesn't have to be large, thoughtarget booths generally sound better, it really just had to be dead acoustically, for a project like this.

    Your budget significantly limits the amount of materials you'll have to work with, so smart placement is key.

    Imo your best bet would be to build the booth with adequate isolation so you get clean recordings, and simply treat the larger space with the usual fiberglass or foam panels and some basic corner traps.

    if the control room was oriented so the lounge was behind it, it is possible to use the lounge itself as a bass trap, but this signifcantly reduces isolation between the 'two' rooms. Two is in quotes because they would be acting as one acoustically coupled area at that point.

    You need space for bass basically. It's a very integral part of hip hip, and most clients, that's an area of focus on the track. The larger you make the control room the easier it's is to get the low end right in general, when talking rooms of this size.

    The booth should be as big as you can make it, but just has to be comfortable. This is where some isolation construction techniques come in. Although there's always compromise and work arounds, your budget could just about fit the materials for a nice booth and a fun reasonably accurate control room.

    Part of the allure of hip hop studios is their hangout type enviornment and the entourages are almost necessary. Your gonna need a fridge a good ac and heat system as well as proper fresh air and ventilation. Sweat smoke and niose develops quickly and will need to be dealt with

    With a project like this it's important to put money only where it's completely necessary, and also where avoiding mistakes will help. You need to familiarize yourself with the concept of flanking paths, and where and when to put the materials.
     
  18. paulears

    paulears Well-Known Member

    I've done a fair few designs in my time and have often failed to appreciate that some ideas in practice don't work. The idea of a lounge is great, but it's unproductive. Corridors eat into the space. Do they have a purpose? In the design above you can get to the vocal booth from the lounge without going into the control room. Is this vital? If not, then why not increase the size of the control room and have the access through it? Same with the storage - a door from outside means the storage will be minimal, so why not have the external access direct into the vocal room, maybe via a sound trap? Or maybe swap the end of the vocal room and lounge.

    My next design will put all the noisy kit that currently sits in the studio into a separate room, along with the racks of gear that waste their time in the control room - I use them less and less nowadays - so the computers are out of the room, and the room gets quiet! Not had that for years. My room where I track drums also gets used rarely now, so I'm going to increase the control room size so if I had to, I can put the drums in there, for the rare drum recordings, and shrink the drum sized room to a booth for vocals. What I now need is space to spread out, not a fair sized recording room that is full to the brim with junk. Currently two dismantled drum kits 20 odd guitars, flightless, two big mixers no longer used and some monitors, and a pedal steel guitar that I can't find the case for. Too cramped! I want space. I love the idea of a sofa in the control room!
     
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  19. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    I do get what you're saying, Kyle. It's just that I don't get the whole "entourage" thing in general...

    I just don't understand why anyone other than the artist(s) and producer needs to be there... I never did get it. It's work. You're working.
    Do you take your girlfriend to work with you? I never did much Hip Hop, but from what you're describing, I dealt with the same thing from the "hair" bands I recorded in the 80's... where the band members would bring their wives, girlfriends, and groupies with them.

    It was always a royal PITA - especially when one of them would get pissed off at me and say something like "Hey! I can't hear the vocals!" To which I would respond... "That's because we haven't recorded them yet."

    Oh... and then, there was always one of them who would attempt to shout through the control room glass... "Do that Bon Jovi song I love!!!"

    To this day, I can get queasy if I smell "Obsession" - which was a popular woman's perfume in the 80's. Those groupies used to bathe in that stuff. For days afterwards, it lingered in the control room, hanging there like a noxious cloud...

    Oh yeah... good times, good times.

    It's no wonder that I eventually became a drug addict. LOL ;)
     
  20. paulears

    paulears Well-Known Member

    Sorry - I missed the entourage thing totally, and I see the point. Thank goodness I don't do that kind of music.
     

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