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studio headphones for electronic music

Discussion in 'Monitoring / Headphones' started by MiStErJaC, Nov 8, 2010.

  1. MiStErJaC

    MiStErJaC Active Member

    hello!
    i have been producing electronic music for some time now, and i bought monitor speakers (samspn rubicon r6a) at the beginning of the year. the monitors sound great in my opinion, there's only the problem: the bass/subbass. since the speakers don't go down to very low frequencies, i have always had problems to mix the bass and the subbass accurately and in my finished songs this frequencies do not sound perfectly right...

    now i am thinking about buying a woofer for my monitors, but it costs too much right now and i also think a woofer would not sound that good in my room.

    so i thought i could buy a good pair of headphones which i can use to get the low frequencies right.
    i only don't know which ones to buy... because i am producing electronic music like house or techno, they should be good for use in mixing the bass and the subbass!

    can anyone suggest headphones that would work for me?

    i thougt about a price between 150 and 250 euros (about 200-350 dollars).

    i already looked at the akg 271 mk2 (some say, they don't have much bass), beyer dynamics dt 770 pro (some say too much bass and not linear) and the audio technica ath m50 (good, but also maybe too much bass...). that's only what i have read on the internet, i had no chance to listen to them until now...
    does anybody know these headphones and can tell me if they are good?

    or are there other ones, that would be a better fit for me?

    hope you can help me! :)

    thank you!
     
  2. Audiodog

    Audiodog Guest

    Well no matter what, sub bass is a danger frequency zone so it definitely need to be controlled. The most useful method is to settle in on a particular system and learn its ins-and-outs by testing mixes on a variety of playback sources (comp speakers, car stereo, club, headphones, etc), especially since you don't have the option to install some big expensive main monitors. So, flat response is absolutely the most important factor. Nevermind headphones that pump the bass but don't have flat response for the rest of the range.

    Mixing is, by far, best done on monitors, but headphones (even just for referencing your monitor mix or for cleaning up details) are also essential. As you already stated, at this point, mixing with headphones is what you want to/need to work with for now. So.....

    I say - get the AKG's (I use AKG k240 studio phones) and get used to them by mixing a track down in three ways:
    - bass sounds perfect
    - bass is slightly too much
    - bass is slightly too little

    (and by "slightly" i mean really only slightly, you'll learn much more about the relationship between your ears and the phones this way)

    Then play all three mixes in the different sources mentioned early (club, monitors, etc) and hone in on the sound that works best. Remember how that sounded in your headphones. With enough repetitions you will get comfortable with mixing using -those- headphones and be able to get it down.

    The last thing you want is to have it played on some huge speakers and have the playback sound ruined by some mains with heavy-hitting sub bass. Better to err on the side of too little sub bass than too much. You don't want the kiddies puking themselves due to sub-freq-harm-tesla-electro malfeasance resonation!

    During the playback testing, its good to have at least one friend or colleague give their opinion on the best mix. Most likely you'll both agree on which is best, but its always useful to have that re-affirmation when first getting used to a mixdown system/method and the different playback types.

    Once you've got it down, you're free. Do your thing. And if/when something needs a minor EQ/mix touch-up you'll know what to do to fix it.

    Last tip: Synthesizers can put out some ridiculously low frequencies at very high volumes. So, to avoid dangerous sub levels ass-driving a club size PA (or bigger), its a good idea to add a steep/aggressive high-pass filter from about 40Hz downwards onto your main mix stereo bus.
     
  3. MiStErJaC

    MiStErJaC Active Member

    hi thank you for your post! i think i'm going to do what you suggest! but i'm not yet shure which headphones to buy... does anybody know the audio technica ath m 50 or the sony mdr 7506?
     
  4. Jeemy

    Jeemy Well-Known Member

    I use AT 50s, my engineers use Senn HD280s, many here use the Sonys. There is no way of recommending ATs over Senns over Sonys over Beyers over anything else; as long as you spend decent money ($150 plus) you will get something good - you really need to try them, or read the multiple posts on the same topic, including the one right below this which has 4 pages of opinion a click away.
     
  5. MiStErJaC

    MiStErJaC Active Member

    hey! thanks, very useful thread! so you have the at 50s, what do you think about them? at the moment i think i maybe will buy the dt 770 pro...
     
  6. sywaro

    sywaro Guest

    It would be a good idea to visit a music store and see what demo phones are on the floor and take a listen. I have a pair of sony mdr 7506 and they do produce some very good bass.
     
  7. MiStErJaC

    MiStErJaC Active Member

    hello! i have recently been to a music store and tried out a few headphones (akg, beyer dynamic, audio technica)!
    my favourites clearly are the akg k-271 mk 2 and the beyer dynamic dt 880 pro, the latter being slightly better...

    the dt-770 did not sound very neutral and had a little to too much bass and was roaring, the audio technica 50 clearly had way too much bass...

    unfortunately they did not have any sony there, but i will try the mdr 7506 out, before i am going to buy a pair!
     
  8. mdb

    mdb Active Member

    The M-Audio Q-40 headphones sound really good. I use them for all my mixing, but they fit a little tight. The cable is replaceable though (nice feature). I listened to a friend's set of Sony MDR-V700DJ phones and for the price they sounded great as well.
     
  9. chunty

    chunty Active Member

    Have a read of this: Studio Headphones
     

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