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Tags - what are they all about?

Discussion in 'Studio Lounge' started by audiokid, Jun 10, 2016.

  1. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    This thread explains what tags are all about and how you can help us improve the content:
    This link https://xenforo.com/community/threads/thread-tagging.100267/ also explains what our tagging is about, including how the administrators of recording.org manage tags behind the scene.

    Below is worth reading. Thanks for reading and doing your part.

    Hey, this got me thinking....

    @Boswell , @DonnyThompson , @Sean G , @Kurt Foster @dvdhawk anyone for that matter.. Thoughts?
    I'm thinking RO has some of the most useful discussion on compression yet we seem to be refer readers to outside content when it comes to some of the more technical , even fundamental stuff? We should be writing our own references and tagging it so all we need to do it type the word and it autolinks or even better, it is part of our tagging references. (y)

    Thoughts?

    As an example: Look at the awesome threads @MrEase has put together about jitter. http://recording.org/tags/jitter/

    Our reference about compression could be "tagged" here: http://recording.org/tags/compression/
     
  2. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

  3. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    I think it's a great idea if we can keep that educational content up to Boswell standards, (based on verifiable facts), and Mr. Ease's treatise on clock-jitter would certainly be the gold-standard.

    There's no telling how much of the content we create is being used / shared / borrowed elsewhere. Several years ago, I modified a simple graphic to answer an RO question someone had about wiring a ¼" jack. Now I see that graphic being used at a couple dozen other sites around the web.
     
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  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    :love:
     
  5. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    I think that if we searched through the archives of RO, we'd probably find some very good posts explaining gain reduction and its parameters; and although some of those posts may be quite old now, the info would still be valid.

    I'll be the first to admit that I've been guilty of posting links to outside sources - such as SOS - when a new member posts a query on a subject; part of this is simple laziness on my part, in that it seems as though we've explained the various processes and discussed some of these topics so much that it feels a bit repetitive to continue to do so - but - I realize that this isn't the right attitude to take. People come here because they need assistance and guidance, because they have questions, and I should be better about helping to provide and explain the answers, if I have the knowledge and experience to be able to do so.

    ;)
     
  6. jjitter

    jjitter Active Member

    @Sean G not been to the studio this week.. will post a drum track.

    Yeah I do try and read the other posts here on compression to find an answer. But sometime need to ask some specific questions, and a good conversation.

    Thanks all!
     
  7. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    Yeah, maybe the mods should sticky a few more articles than has been stuck in a while, particularly for common ongoing topics, like the jitter thread, or something ongoing like the mix biz. At least the topics wouldn't be strewn about as much. Lol in truth, I find the conversions often drift off topic, something I'm extremely guilty of.

    As for my contribution, I've been compiling acoustic based data in PDF form for about 2 years, both for my own webdsit/references, and in hopes of putting it up here as a well rounded set of resources. I just didn't say anything because it's not organized yet. It's one of the projects when my setup is running, that I'm looking forward too.

    I think it's healthy to link to outside resources, as well as our own, I am undoubtably guilty of just googling a link rather than searching RO, honestly I don't know why.

    The absolute number one reason I hang here is because of the members. It's difficult to find objectivity, and advice that pertains to "your" specific needs elsewhere. I find the people here, both well known, and in general, don't subscribe to the mine is the best for everyone, school of advice. I've never been around a more collectively patient, altruistic, group of people. I was thinking about it the other night, I was like wow, I actually spend more time talking w my RO buddies, than the family members I live with. In all fairness I don't think my family would have much to say about the relevance of multi band limiting in a non mastering scenario lol.

    RO is by far the most well rounded enjoyable forum I'm part of, Barr none, music related or not.
     
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  8. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I'll try and say this without too much confusion. A wordsmith I am not.

    Keep creating, asking, responding, reopening OLD threads, repeating or cross posting, including posting links to outside sources but I do think we are (including myself) doing a disservice to our readers and ourselves by giving so much credit to other domains when in fact, RO is the Grandfather of Pro Audio Forums. :cool:

    The evolving process of highlighting the best of what we do looks like we can do this better using the tags system.

    Some history:

    I started this forum (Sept 1998) many years before the explosion of social media. My intent has always been true to the art and to find ways to help manufactures and members discover each other through a way of organizing content. I had know idea it would have gotten this far and I would be so blessed to meet so many amazing people along the way. :love:

    RO was the original pro audio community that migrated over from R.A.P. "rec audio pro". Many of these people were "Grammy awarded" engineers with incredible vintage history. Not to exclude others who do not have big names but are the gems that never say who they are or were labeled, but we know, they know what they are talking about.

    As RO grew, so did the corruption of shilling and business opportunities, thus... look at what social media is all about now.

    Back to tags:

    The tagging system can really help us target content in a way that members can fine tune how we find it. I've been editing tags to reflect thread content better. I can give tag editing permission to our members too.
    This makes it possible for us the streamline or broaden the list of tags to a thread as we see fit.

    Just thinking here. If a thread gets really amazing, a member could edit the list of a tags to include special tags.
    A tags list could include a members name.
    • Bos compression
    • Donny's Parallel Compression
    • Kurt on tracking
    • the 2 DAW system .... ?

    Thus, even if a thread started out as Parametric Compression or Orban 622b, a month later it evolved into pretty amazing theard that is currently going into passive summing.
    passive summing so a member that added something he/she felt useful , could edit the tag list to include the tag "passive summing"

    As we populate our tag system, clicking on tags will get us there. Its almost like adding bookmarks for the community.

    Tags example for this thread are currently here:
     
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  9. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    As part of my business, I have to explain audio concepts to complete novices on a regular basis. When I install a sound system in a church, or school, I'm not done until we've had an hour or two with the volunteer sound-people to give them an overview of what all this new equipment does. But the challenge is always finding a way to explain it to them, in a way that might make sense to someone with absolutely zero prior experience. These groups often range from kids in their teens, all the way up to folks in their 70s-80s. Sometimes I'll get a tech-savy musician, or someone with live-sound experience, or radio experience, but they are few and far between. Usually it's me and 5-10 people who need to learn everything from the Gain knob on in.

    So as far as the elementary explanations, I can help with some of that by rote.

    For example, here's one from 2009 on compressor basic, basic, basics. It won't win any prizes, but I think it's a solid baby-step in the right direction for a beginner.
     
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  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    excellent Dave, so what I did just now... I followed your link to the thread and updated the tags (NOTE that thread was created before we had a tag system)

    I edited and added the tag > compression and compression resource
    We "you" (all members with tag editing privileges can update addition tags of OP which would depict a particular (special) resource. Thus, we can quickly find the best of the best because we as a community follow a protocol for naming tags.

    Again, we can use tags to bookmark per-say.Thus, empower us to point readers to "special threads we all now include the keyword plus (hyphen) -resource
    We could establish community tagging standards to include key words.
    example could be:
    "compression resource" Thus, we have thousands of threads about compression but some of those threads are resources. Thus, I tagged dvdhawks with 2 tags. One tag is compression and the other compression resource.

    So, we will find compression threads and we will find compression resource

    http://recording.org/tags/compression/
    http://recording.org/tags/compression-resource/

    Make sense?
     
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

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  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    NOTE: I had link errors and some typos above. They are now fixed.
     
  13. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    Lol every time I sign on to FB, there's adds for the gear I just looked at. I cane beat them, so I join them. I use social media and GS to shill, as well as help out and socialize. I've intentionally avoided that over here, you'll notice I often refer to the studios as "the studios" instead of there names. RO has been kept clean of these types of constant schilling and links to people's own business sites, and I like that.

    I am in that boat often, and that's one reason why I've decided to organize my own documentation. It's nice to have good solid reference material to point clients too. It seems with me anyway, I've got the perfect thing they need, lol but it's at home. Or there's no printer, Ect Ect.

    It'll be great when things are more easily acessable and we can all contribute to the various resources.


    Long live RO!!
     
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  14. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    Also, if there's any sort of formats, or standards, Ect that will help as far as posts and stuff, I'll be glad to oblige. I have to admit I'm pretty green when it comes to tags, and searches, and even social media I'm very much newbish. So I'll be happy to learn And stick w the format/program.
     
  15. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Nice to read that Kyle.

    This is why I added the Resources plug-in to RO. I think we need to support our businesses and businesses we value, so the Resource add-on does this respectfully.
     
  16. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Thanks.:love:

    I've now just updated tagging permission for all members that have the banner Support Member now

    supportbanner.PNG
     
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  17. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    I can see how tagging helps, but are "Stickys" in the forum sub-categories still relevant?
    Should there be a place where you pool these resource posts meant to be purely educational?
     
  18. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Good points. I like Stickys but I find they can dominate a forum category pretty fast. And fill up the recent post list and stop people from looking past. I prefer to see Stickys "stick" to current news or "to the point" opening statements of a forum category.
    I will on occasion, pull old threads from the past and stick them to inspire discussion. Then unstick and go back to a clean current list of threads.
     
  19. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Tagging is definitely ideal for specific products or additional "turns" a thread can take that the title does not include.

    An example of this can be read in the recent Orban 622b discussion Sean started. Tagging it with the "tag" 622B points exact product to a discussion. Because we are human, a search engine cannot know I included a reasons why I no longer feel the 622b is needed. I explain and "could tag " following "reasons" found in other threads.

    As an example, I use a passive summing system. Had I not, I would have missed why hardware EQ,s, particularity parametric are more useful to me ITB than OTB. So, I can update a thread tag list to include "passive summing" and how I incorporate parametrics on the master bus of the second DAW and so on...

    One might say, well we have search engine that does that but tagging or stickys might miss some added attributes left for the imagination.
    I also think we have to be policing the tags so they do not get out of hand , to preserve the integrity of the main OP but when used smartly, they should enhance the forum.

    I would expect that when a thread gets too far off, we would then split it as I did for this thread just now.
     
  20. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    This is kinda what I had in mind. Tags seem good for identifying content within long or windy discussions. Perhaps there could be something like where there is an educational piece, like for instance "how to use star grounding in your studio plans" where an author(s) is/are the sole presenter, whether the member wrote it, or it's an article from a trusted source like BBC.

    At this point the post/article is fixed, only to be edited by the OP, and members and guests, can either leave a comment ala you tube style or the sticky style. Or start a new thread but based directly off the info presented in the "fixed" post/presentation. That way we have a common reference, and since the reference is approved, we don't get into arguments about the source itself. Also it'll be a familiar article to the regulars, so we don't have to closely read yet another article on the same topic, skimming for errors Ect. Reading yet another different article about the same topic of start grounding, or whatever.

    It would also help to be able to point clients to directly over here, vs having to fish through my files, or hope my internet works, Yada Yada. I simple link to RO could benefit the client, and RO mutually.


    Particularly in the acoustics realm, things like RFZ are a 'standard apporach' but the myriad of arcticls about 'spoundproof' foam, or things like that, require a lot of detective work and fishing for test data Ect ect.

    I'm not sure I expressed what I'm saying properly I'm a bit off today, but hopefully you all get the gyst.
     

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