Tascam MS-16 & Otari MX70

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  1. ChrisH

    ChrisH Active Member

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    Here's where I got it tonight.
    This is with -6 db "Desktop Notch" @160hz and the HPF set at 90hz.
    However as I stated with the post above, with these settings on the speakers, they sound very different, pretty small sonicly.
    It also makes no sense that I'm getting anything on the measurments below 90hz, right?
     

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  2. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    Is this (eq) on the mix or the monitors?
     
  3. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

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    What I heard as too strong in your mix is inside that zone between 40 and 300 that's low in that response curve, probably right around 150. If I could download an audio file to examine I could be more certain what frequency sounds too prominent.
     
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  4. ChrisH

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    It's the room measurement
     
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    Thank you, Kyle!
    If all else fails and there's trouble area in the room response that just isn't going away with treatment, how do you implement Eq outside of what's available on the monitors themselves?

    @audiokid Talked about raising his speakers to help tune his room response, curious how you did that?
     
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    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    Basically cuts only and in as few bands and Dbs as possible. Basically the room mode is one fundemtal and it's harmonics being excited. Like 40hz and 400hz are both peak areas in the graph. The only monitors I've used w eq was on the mains at normandy, and it took a while to get right. Eventually even I felt it was an improvement, but even then not without compromise. We had a klark technic stereo graphic eq. Very transparent.

    You probably could flatten the peaks and valleys w some tuned broadband bass traps like some corner resonators, to help maintain life if your happy w the mid/high absorbsion/life. The advantage to trapping vs eq is trapping helps alleviate the nulls, and widen the sweetspot, eq makes these worse. That's just the comprise of eqing in better response. Seems like you understand this chrisH, I'm just tossing it out there in general.
     
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    I now have 13 broadband traps in my room but there is still room for 8 more on the ceiling that I already have the materials to build them. The current traps are in all vertical corners, above mix position, and the rear wall horizontal ceiling cornerds.
    Just sort of checking in to get some feedback.
    Attatched a graphs showing before and after implements the broadband absorbers.
    (Green = Pre, Gold = Post) (No smoothing on either)
    Second attatchment is zoomed in on the current low end response, one with 1/12 smoothing and one without.
    Also attatched the current waterfall graph, as you can see my culptrits at 75hz, 41hz, & 25hz.
    Looks like it's time to build some actuall bass traps.
     

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  8. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    Looks like some major improvements overall! Those low traps should clean up the decay time in the subs, and smooth out their higher harmonics a bit more. Your room is shaping up quite well, congrats!
     
  9. ChrisH

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    Thank you, Kyle! I'm excited about it.
    Are you referring to the 8 additional broadband absorbers that will be added to ceiling or Helmholtz resonator/absorbers ?
     
  10. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Distinguished Member

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    I was referring to something like a helmholtz or any sort of dedicated bass treatment. Depending on how their mounted the broadband stuff can dip as deep or deeper than 200hz. The fundamental modes are where biggest issue is at this point.

    Have you tried mixing anything yet?
     
  11. ChrisH

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    I have not tried mixing yet
     
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