Tell me what effects are used in these 2 songs?

Discussion in 'Tracking / Mixing / Editing' started by DelsonDrive, Feb 14, 2006.

  1. DelsonDrive

    DelsonDrive Guest

    Hi everyone,

    http://download.delsondrive.com/examples/blink182.wav

    http://download.delsondrive.com/examples/crossfade.wav

    I've trying to recreate that kind of voice for long time. I have used different method. I tried pitch shifting -4 on left and +4 on right and adding a 12ms delay on left and 24ms on right and hard panning, I've tried chorus, phaser, flanger, Antares Duo, many many things... I made some search and I think the producer used an Eventide Harmonizer H3000 to create this kinda double voice and thick vocal.

    If someone can listen to those samples and give me some advices, I would appreciate a lot...

    Thanks!
     
  2. Nirvalica

    Nirvalica Guest

    maybe just make the singer sing it again, but maybe change the Eq on it a little so one is more bass and one is more treble. ive never really recorded vocals, so im not so sure on how to get that sound, but thats my guess.
     
  3. DelsonDrive

    DelsonDrive Guest

    Overdub

    I know it can sounds like vocal overdubs but I'm pretty sure it is not sine the vocal on the entire album sounds like that.
     
  4. DelsonDrive

    DelsonDrive Guest

    Artificial Double-tracking Using Autotune

    I've also tried this trick that "works" but still not giving the same effect:

    "Double-tracking is a classic way to thicken vocal lines, but not all singers are capable of repeating a performance with the necessary degree of accuracy. On the other hand, there are lots of delay and chorus treatments that allow you to fake it, but let's face it — it sounds faked. Nevertheless, there is a way to emulate double-tracking from a single vocal part within Logic that sounds surprisingly real. The secret is in the creative abuse of one of Antares' range of VST Autotune plug-ins.
    Step one is to copy your recorded vocal part onto an adjacent free audio track. Next, insert Autotune into the copied part's track and dial in the correct scale notes for the part being treated. Follow the normal procedure (as outlined in the Autotune manual) for optimal, natural pitch correction, checking the part in isolation using the Solo function to ensure that it sounds clean and that no notes are being forced to the wrong pitches.

    Now, play back the original track and the pitch-corrected copy together. Unless the singer was unnaturally accurate in the first place, you should notice a doubling effect as the corrected version runs alongside the original version. However, unlike using a pitch shifter, the pitch differences between the two audio parts will be related to the vocal performance, so they'll vary from note to note. In effect, you have natural pitching running alongside Autotune's improved pitching.

    Match the levels and you should hear a convincing double-tracking effect, though this can be further enhanced by delaying the corrected track by between 10 and 40 milliseconds relative to the original. If you need an even thicker vocal part, make two copy tracks and apply Autotune to them both with different pitch-correction speed settings. This will introduce further pitching differences that will add to the layered vocal sound. Paul White"

    Found at:

    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Sep01/articles/logicnotes0901.asp
     
  5. DelsonDrive

    DelsonDrive Guest

    Found a plugin not too bad

    I found Audio Damage's Discord. It can be used to thicken the vocal a little bit. I used it and it's not too bad but still not what I was looking for...

    http://www.audiodamage.com/index.php?cPath=1
     
  6. took-the-red-pill

    took-the-red-pill Active Member

    I don't have a lot of experience under my belt, but I think they may have done this:

    Record lead vox
    Record double, possibly using the trick where you speed up the tape a tad to change the timbre
    Then I think they blended the two tracks and added an effect to THAT blended track to get the same effect sound throughout. Maybe a subtle pitch shift thing? I dunno.

    I think that a single vocal track with any effect will always sound as such, which is why you haven't been able to reproduce it using a single track.

    Whaddaya think?


    Keith
     
  7. took-the-red-pill

    took-the-red-pill Active Member

    I only listened to Blink, I don't have a lot of experience under my belt, but I think they may have done this:

    Record lead vox
    Record double, possibly using the trick where you speed up the tape a tad to change the timbre
    Then I think they blended the two tracks and added an effect to THAT blended track to get the same effect sound throughout. Maybe a subtle pitch shift thing? I dunno.

    I think that a single vocal track with any effect will always sound as such, which is why you haven't been able to reproduce it using a single track.

    Whaddaya think?


    Keith
     
  8. chrispick

    chrispick Guest

    After a cursory listen, sounds to me like a double-tracked vocal wherein the second pass was run through a delay (or just timeline shifted later) then a high-pass filter with probably a high parametric right before the shelf drop-off.
     
  9. saemskin

    saemskin Active Member

    well the vocal is just his annoying voice & inflections, but the extension really sounds like an effected reverb tail.
    Almost as if they took the 100% wet reverb track and pitch shifted it up quite a bit since a reverb usually sounds slightly LPF'd.

    I'm gonna try it later.
     
  10. DelsonDrive

    DelsonDrive Guest

    Ok thanks, let me know what are your results! ;)
     
  11. redbort

    redbort Active Member

    Does anyone know what settings on his Eventide Billy Corgan (smashing pumpkins) used on Siamese Dream to get his vocals to sound like a phased halo of shimmering sparkles?
     
  12. huub

    huub Guest

    Lsd works fine for that effect..
     
  13. Reggie

    Reggie Well-Known Member

    Ah, walters is back. I love that guy.

    A really short delay and/or a with short reverb can sound like doubling, even if mono. That is my vote on the Crossfade one. The Blink one sounds like doubled vocals with Vocalign or something.
     
  14. DelsonDrive

    DelsonDrive Guest

    Dude, thank you so much! I've created an FX Channel, put a Waves RVerb using the plate mode, no predelay, time set to .20, size set to the smalest value possible, no diffusion, decay set to .04, no early reflection. Then I added a Waves UltraPitch Shift to shift up +15 and finish with a Double Delay hard pan left-right with 12ms on left and 24ms on right, no feedback. I then sent my vocal to the FX track and I worked exactly as I wanted... Thank you! :)
     
  15. saemskin

    saemskin Active Member

    really?
    Interesting.... I didnt even have a chance to try it out with my sons pinewood derby coming up and the auctions I have going.

    I dont understand why everyone thinks its some sort of doubling or second, third whatever, vocal track. Sounds nothing of the sort to me.

    I'm glad it worked for you.
     
  16. NTDunn

    NTDunn Active Member

    Sounds like either a chorus or double tracked vox with the double running through Autotune. But that's just me
     

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