The Future of Mixing Music

Discussion in 'Tracking / Mixing / Editing' started by hueseph, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Here's an update on Stephen Slate's Raven console. Check out the MTI. AFFORDABLE touch control. This is very exciting to me. Even I could probably put the money on something like this.

    MTI is at around 5:25.
  2. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    That is very impressive. Not going to be the first to jump in, but this is something worth watching.
  3. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

    didn't know jersey shore cast started doing pro audio vids. jk. this thing looks dope for editing, i really like the way the editing looked on that thing. it's one of my keast favorite parts of pro audio, and their concept is awsome. mix wise, i know it's better than an ipad, but i'm not sold, i'd prefer a hardware fader bank, and 'knobs' section. i don't use hundreds of new plugins, so mapping, or memorization, or scribble strips are better than a mouse to me. although that layout allows you two hands, if you could select control w/ one hand, manipullate knob w/ other, i think it'd be the best compromise ever between a digital mixer a control surface and a mouse. i would consider selling my car for a downpayment if this stuff came true... not really, i'd just get a lame job for extra cash. this has to be the future of daw control, where mouse only type things (ie selcting channel inserts, group assignment, menu selcteions, ect) are gonna be replaced by direct contact.

    i dunno in what case the screens angle 'eliminates' comb filtering, since they didn't say, but i like the idea of the the surface (hopefully) not completely blocking windows. i just don't like the whole fader work around where 'sensitivity' is adjustable, even tho i'ts a smart move for the current touch based ipad stuff (presonus/mackie/a&h should take note), it's still weird to me to move a visual depiction of a fader (it's kinda like showering w. a raincoat on, your showering, but it's just not the same). i mean it could be cool to have a similar setting for physical faders, if your not getting what ya want. this new stuff is gona be cool!
  4. pan60

    pan60 Active Member

    I find it interesting!
  5. blaumph2cool

    blaumph2cool Active Member

    If this came out on April 1st I would have thought it was a spoof (Slate actually did a different spoof last April). Not that this is unbelievable tech.

    I've been waiting for something like this for the past few years, it was like the logical next step, and no one has really nailed it down yet. When Sonar announced their touch feature in X2 it got me kinda excited but that still wasn't full featured.

    Working with software faders is more like a different kind of rain jacket (if you know what i mean). It gets the job done but is not quite as fun and feel kinda weird.
    While i agree that nothing can replace the tactile feel of faders and knobs in your hands, i'd give that up to be able to have the functionality and form factor, plus the updateability of the software.

    All in all, this is very exciting to me and i can't wait to see more.

    Thank you Hue for sharing!
  6. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    is it a real mixer or a control surface?
  7. MadMax

    MadMax Well-Known Member

    The MTi is a Control Surface... No audio through the unit...

    However, if I'm not mistaken, the MTx unit does have monitoring in that particular unit.
  8. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    that's what i thought. so for me this is kind of cool but no big deal. really it's just another piece of of computer equipment that will either wear out or become obsolete due to upgrade issues in a short time. even at 2500 bucks i would be hesitant. much of what is brought up here regards outboard analog summing.

    big studios use real large format consoles to sum and mix. the PT or DAW system faders are usually all set a 0 (nominal) so the DAW is free from a lot of number crunching that in the end degrades the audio. the DAW is no more than a glorified tape recorder and editing system. the best studios don't use plugs a lot but rather rely on real echo chambers or high end hardware, compressors and other line processing gear. they're the kind of studios i regard as real professional studios. expensive yes. but the audio is heads above anything mixed and recorded in a home or budget environment. the best tools.

    so the question that keeps coming up is how can the recordist on a budget get closer to those results. well with a real mixer. even a cheap Mackie will sum better that itb summing imo. i have proven this to myself doing mixes side by side. the differences are remarkable.

    it looks impressive but a lot of the functions are needless. i suppose there's a segment of the market that will flock to purchase but i really don't think their mixes will improve commensurately. perhaps work flow , especially during trackig will be increased but i suspect the mixes these things will spew will be typical of other itb solutions. it would be nice if i were wrong on this.
  9. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    So where have we evolved since this OP?
  10. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    Personally, still not a fan of a touch screen for major work. I do use an iPad for remote start stop, say going near drums to make Logic Pro X record.
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I've not tried anything touch screen yet but I have a feeling the latency would drive me nuts. Are they any better since this was posted? I see us going down that road once again where we become distracted trying to get something like a screen to replace a desk. All the added CPU, software bugs etc and for what? So we can slide our finger on some plastic?
    I have a friend who sells stereos, TV's etc. One afternoon we were having a beer together and he started laughing about how people freak out when they can't turn off a TV with a remove while standing right in front of the off button! Same with the Volume on a stereo.

    The other day I'm standing at the venue where my Daughters song is playing to a crowd. I mastered it at a lower volume so its sounds better, but the DJ didn't clue in on how to turn it to match other commercial pop music levels. All he needed to do was turn the volume up and it would kick ass. He stood there clueless, unable to turn it up manually.

    Personally, I doubt I will ever get a touch screen. I may however succumb to an ipad or something like that to do some smaller things. I do think the StudioLive Ai ability to mix while walking around in a crowd from an ipad is supper cool.

    But for a basic studio for me , give me a controller that will work or just an old school console any day of the week. Otherwise, a mouse is just fine. I hardly notice it being a problem. but then again, I hardly use all those plug-ins on all the tracks some seem to need so many of.
  12. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    The response times are instant now Chris, that's not the issue (for me), it's the lack of actual (tactile) response. What I would see happening is haptic? feedback from the screens, then, maybe, it could be viable. But, still, think of all that grime build up, bugs.. erk... LOL.
  13. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    can't be much worse than a keypad.
    Good to know they are faster than the last example I saw.
  14. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    This guy likes it! To hell with music, Its all about the screen to him.

    hueseph likes this.
  15. pan60

    pan60 Active Member

    I'am just not that ITB.
    Still cool but just not for me.
  16. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    I have yet to see this in person. I want to but no one here has one in stock. I can't invest in something I've never tried.

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