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The Great Piano Scam

Discussion in 'Studio Lounge' started by Sean G, Dec 14, 2015.

  1. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    Interesting viewing...

     
  2. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    "Many felt he got off lightly..."

    ya think?!

    There's no justification or rationale that he can come up with that makes this all okay. Not even a little bit okay.
    Yes, it's tragic that she was forced to quit playing at the height of her career, and that she eventually had to deal with terminal cancer.

    But perhaps most upsetting is that, by perpetrating this ruse, they actually ended up destroying the reputation, admiration and respect that she once garnered from aficionado's, critics, and fans, back when she was still able to perform these complex pieces with true precision, elegance, and passion. It wasn't good enough for them that she was once considered to be one of the best of this genre's performers. Instead of basking in the pleasure of "what once was", she's now posthumously become a punchline; and any respect held for her husband as a talented producer/engineer of that genre ( did you catch the section where it was mentioned that he worked with Joe Meek?) has also all but disappeared, not just because of his dishonesty, but also because of his attitude in making light of the situation; in trying to justify or rationalize what they did as being 'acceptable".

    While it would still have been very wrong, and dishonest of them to do, had he instead humbled himself and admitted, "Yes, you've got me. We did lie to the public, and I am very sorry to those other fantastic musicians we have hurt, by lifting and manipulating their beautiful performances, and to the public for being dishonest and leading people to believe that which was not true" .... it would have made swallowing the pill a little less bitter.

    His continuing attitude, ranging from total denial to partial admittance, with his "what's the big deal?" response, has become just as much of a crime as the original plagiarism itself.

    IMHO of course.
     
  3. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member


    Agreed.

    I am gob-smacked by the audacity of the man.

    Blatant audacity at that.:eek:

    - I loved the bit where its stated most were recorded down in the garden shed...with symphony orchestras no-one had ever heard of....

    - With the reviews written by...you guessed it:ROFLMAO:
     
  4. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Yeah, that must have been some garden shed!

    "Where's the orchestra pit? "

    "Make a left past the shovels and rakes, and then two steps down, just to the right of the lawn mower..."
     
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  5. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    And mind the string section to the right of the work bench....
     
  6. JohnTodd

    JohnTodd Well-Known Member

    Amazing. Simply amazing.

    As a classically trained pianist, this really blows me away. He didn't need to do any of that. Psychologically, I think he was in denial of her condition and simply refused to accept that "it was over". Her end is tragic, to be sure, but he didn't need to boost her any more. She boosted herself with her playing.
     
  7. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    It amazes me how some of the artists who were plagiarized didn't even recognise their own work, one even commenting how good the performance was, then still didn't believe it was he who was performing when told so.
     
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  8. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    A few minutes in I was still suspecting someone had taken notation/reading software, gone nuts humanizing the resulting MIDI just enough, put it together with a great piano sample library, and a Bigtree caliber reverb. I was oddly relieved it was good old-fashioned plagiarism.
     
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  9. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    Hmmmmm.....you have given this some previous thought Hawk??????:D
     
  10. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    The section of the video, where they talk about the one song that a particular performer did, and his piano's first C above middle was slightly sharp, as was the version released by the couple... by exactly the same amount, on the exact same song, at exactly the same time... notation software wouldn't grab that kind of detail.

    But I do get your point. The fact that the husband had a reputation as being an experienced engineer; even having worked with other famous engineers (like Joe Meek), made it even more offensive. Obviously this guy wasn't one of those older engineers who is still stuck back in analog land. His ability to skillfully edit and process digital audio - they guy had some game.

    Although, as with most criminals, there's always something that trips them up eventually, and it's usually something small and incidental.
    He spent all that time trying to change the audio just enough so that it would be accepted as being original to his wife, only to neglect to change the sub-code info on one song, which showed the original artist's information on the MP3/CD ID Tag instead of hers.
     
  11. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    Sometimes the simplest things are overlooked...and if he didn't overlook that simple detail he may just have got away with it.

    And we all would probably be none the wiser, although one would think with the advancements in technology today that sooner or later it would have all come out in the wash
     
  12. paulears

    paulears Well-Known Member

    What get's me is that they say he didn't make any money - that's simply unbelievable. His production costs were tiny, sales buoyant - so where did the money go? People must also have been very unlike today's music journalists - as in not researching anything - that they clearly have done since. Surely somebody must have wondered who these unheard of orchestras and composers actually were? What about PPL? All the questions on studios, engineers, musicians etc.
     
  13. Brien Holcombe

    Brien Holcombe Well-Known Member

    Here is what I do not get.

    Who listens to Classical piano?

    I'm kidding. I realize no one does.
     
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  14. paulears

    paulears Well-Known Member

    I've made more money from recording classical piano in the last year than ever before!
     
  15. Brien Holcombe

    Brien Holcombe Well-Known Member

    So you were in on it...
     
  16. paulears

    paulears Well-Known Member

    Well - it does rather point to the listeners being idiots to a fairly large degree. One of the hardest pieces to play, so not many recordings then, and yet nobody noticed until he left an meta tag in!
     

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