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the mic for Elvis/Morrison

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by stupidfatandugly, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. I think I'm a baritone and I hope the tone is more thick than thin. Ideally it would be as thick as Elvis. But, I want to sound as much like Elvis or Jim Morrison as possible.

    what mic would be good?

    my condenser sounds way too bright for me on the loud stuff when I have to step back from the mic. I like that thundering boom that Elvis could do.
     
  2. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    55sh.jpg

    Shure 55sh series II

    :cool:
     
  3. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    The studio shots that I've seen of Elvis sessions showed him with a big ol' RCA ribbon of some sort...
     
  4. Link555

    Link555 Well-Known Member

    Morrison used a U47
     
  5. crap! I can't spend that money. I also read that Aaron Lewis of Staind uses that too. I think I have that same vocal range as these people:
    Aaron Lewis, Elvis, Morrison... these are all baritones right?

    I've been considering the sm7 - which they say was used by Metallica,U2,Icubus and Michael Jackson(tenors I believe) so is the sm7 the wrong mic for baritones?
     
  6. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    None of these artists really have deep voices. My Engineer used a tube mic on this one artist that came in and it sounded great. He was a bass, kind of like a Barry White sounding bass. I think tube or ribbon would be the way to go but I don't know any particulars.
     
  7. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    You need to learn to work the mic. Learn about proximity affect and utilize it or not as an artistic decision. A mic can only send down the line what you put into it intentionally or unintentionally. If you can't sound at least decent on a SM58 then there isn't any point spending money on a ribbon or tube. Solution, hook up the mic to a PA rig and just start experimenting.
     
  8. Link555

    Link555 Well-Known Member

    Rode NT2 is also good for low frequency voices.
     
  9. for the loud stuff it is sounding better on my sm57 than it does on the baby bottle. but the sm57 isn't designed for vocals. my room is 7x11' small so I want to take more of the room sound out.

    I can't yell into the baby bottle and everybody is telling me the sm7 is the one for the job. However, they say, you have to get a mic that fits your range(tenor,baritone, etc.) and your tone(thick like Elvis or thin like Bob Marley)

    I think I'm a baritone and more thick than thin. PLus I like the fat sound best. In light of that, sm7?
     
  10. lostindundee

    lostindundee Active Member

    I read somewhere that this was a 58 in a different caseing?
     
  11. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    It probably is, I meant it more for lolz.
     
  12. lostindundee

    lostindundee Active Member

    ha ha ha

    I was tired earlier. :cool:
     
  13. son of a! I bought that
     
  14. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Without trying it first? Now that's funny. :D
     
  15. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    :lol:
    Also, quote pyramid!
     
  16. lostindundee

    lostindundee Active Member

    I'm definitely shure (no pun intended) that I read this was the same as the SM58. However, the frequency response graph on the shure website indicate otherwise but then I'm not sure on what affects this - different caseing perhaps?

    Having said that, I wouldn't say that you've thrown your money away getting the 55sh. Far from it in fact. I think you'll be happy with this mic. Let us know what you think of it.


    LiD
     
  17. JoeH

    JoeH Well-Known Member

    I think we've gotten way off the original question/point here, and soooo much information flying around.

    Let's be clear about this; the original (early 50's) Shure 55 microphone was a different beast than the reissue currently being sold by Shure, although both are DYNAMIC mics (Not ribbon or Condensers).

    It's also worth pointing out that this was primarily a LIVE microphone, not a studio mic. Elvis (and many others) used it because it was what was available at the time, it worked well, looked great, and was easy for anyone to figure out simply by stepping in front of it and singing.

    Here's the original 1951 spec sheet from Shure for the 55:

    http://images.mixonline.com/files/141/shure-55.pdf

    Here is the reissue from Shure for the SM55SH Series II spec sheet:

    http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_55SHSeriesII_content

    I own a restored original 55. It's got a similar element to all of the SM series, but it's in a suspended basket/shock mount, and has the three position impedance switch in the back for H/M/L. To my ears, its' a lot more interesting, open, and flexible than an SM58. (I still wouldn't use it for any serious vocal recording, however.)

    Live onstage, Elvis was often pictured in front of a Shure 55 microphone, as in this classic early shot here from the Scotty More archives. (It would be years and years later that Shure reissued this mic as the SM55SH Series II):

    http://www.scottymoore.net/images/lakeland/Elvis_on_stage.jpg

    If you can't access that one from this server, try this one:

    http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/elvis_miami_1956.jpg

    Live onstage was ONE thing, the studio was another.

    In the studio (and sometimes even onstage in the early days), Elvis was an RCA Victor recording artist his entire career, and it's likely (But I don't know this for "sure" - no pun intended) that he was tracked almost exclusively with RCA 77 series Ribbon mics, as pictured here:

    http://www.retroplanet.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/26986.jpg

    and here's Elvis with another RCA Ribbon mic, alledgedly an early Sun session:

    http://www.fpepreview.com/images 090208/24-741 elvis studio.jpg

    I don't think Elvis was ever recorded with the usual Neumann U47s, 67's and 87's; they may not have let him, if it was all RCA Studio recording.

    The most important thing to remember is that it's not the MIC per se that makes a good singer, it only captures good singing. (Garbage in, Garbage out.) A mic that's faithful to what is going on in front of it (coupled with a good preamp) is really all you can do. The rest is up to you. You don't necessarily need a Shure or an RCA or a Neumann right now, there are so many others out there, it's hardly worth beating yourself up over.

    They are nice tools to have, and they (might) remove a few more variables someday, when you can afford one, or hire a studio that already has 'em.
     
  18. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Plus you seem to be a fan of Elvis. Even if the mic wasn't what you wanted, it's still a novelty item.
     
  19. no, i didn't really buy it.

    I'm saving up for the sm7 and a good pre to go with it.

    I hope I made you feel bad :lol:

    thanks for the replies though
     
  20. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Bastard :wink:
     

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