The Missing Link (Gear suggestion)

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by Lagerfeldt, Jul 4, 2004.

  1. Lagerfeldt

    Lagerfeldt Guest

    This is what I use for mastering right now, in Logic Pro on a Mac G4 (original software of course)

    1) Waves Linear Phase EQ's
    2) Waves Linear Phase Multiband Compressor
    3) L2 Limiter

    I need two things:

    A) Warmth/tube saturation
    B) More punch and RMS output

    So I'm looking at:

    1) Manley Mastering SLAM! (mastering version of SLAM!)
    2) Manley Stereo Variable Mu (also the mastering version)
    3) Tube Tech SMC2B 3 band tube compressor

    This is to be inserted before the L2 of course.

    My reservations are:

    1) Will the Manley SLAM! and the L2 work together (essentially 2 limiters in a chain)
    2) Will the Manley Vari-Mu do a better job than SLAM! in my particular situation?
    3) Will the Tube Tech 3 band tube comp provide me with better control over the material due to the 3 bands?

    Any ideas for other machines that may fit my needs or any advice on what would be the "best" choice in my situation?
     
  2. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    i use the vari-mu all day every day!!!

    for mastering and mixing
    i have two of them... one normal and one mastering edition

    also have the tubetech... i love it for vocals / deesser but for mastering it is too soft... it takes a lot of punch out of your mix

    i have heard the slam and don't like it at all!! it doesn't have any of the qualities of the vari-mu!!!

    just beware that the vari-mu takes several hours (2-300) before it sounds its best!!

    if you can't afford the mastering version then buy the normal one...
    it may actually sound better (warmer)
     
  3. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    i use the vari-mu all day every day!!!

    for mastering and mixing
    i have two of them... one normal and one mastering edition

    also have the tubetech... i love it for vocals / deesser but for mastering it is too soft... it takes a lot of punch out of your mix

    i have heard the slam and don't like it at all!! it doesn't have any of the qualities of the vari-mu!!!

    just beware that the vari-mu takes several hours (2-300) before it sounds its best!!

    if you can't afford the mastering version then buy the normal one...
    it may actually sound better (warmer)
     
  4. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    i use the vari-mu all day every day!!!

    for mastering and mixing
    i have two of them... one normal and one mastering edition

    also have the tubetech... i love it for vocals / deesser but for mastering it is too soft... it takes a lot of punch out of your mix

    i have heard the slam and don't like it at all!! it doesn't have any of the qualities of the vari-mu!!!

    just beware that the vari-mu takes several hours (2-300) before it sounds its best!!

    if you can't afford the mastering version then buy the normal one...
    it may actually sound better (warmer)
     
  5. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    You should also check out the Gyraf G10 VariMu compressor(gyraf.dk)
    Jacob Erland is a great circuit/unit designer!!...

    What do you really seek in getting a warm sound? maybe it's not a comp but an EQ you need?.. or maybe a comp is just the right thing?

    ...or maybe you just need a tube gain stage with transformers?

    Best Regards
     
  6. Lagerfeldt

    Lagerfeldt Guest

    Thanks for the answers (funny you are both Danish too isn't it?)

    I guess the Manley SLAM! perhaps isn't what I need in particular, so that one's been crossed from the list.

    Iznogood, you have the SMC2B 3 band compressor from Tube Tech? It was made for mastering purposes but you find it too soft for that purpose, right?

    Hm, guess my list right now is:

    1) Manley Vari Mu (normal version)
    2) Gyratec X (G10) (BTW: Where can I get one of these babies?)
    3) Avalon Vt747sp
    4) Tube Tech SMC2B

    Anyone know the Avalon?
     
  7. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    Go to their site and write to Thomas Li or King Jacob himself.

    If you are looking for something really "warm" then the Avalon might not be the one.

    Best Regards,
    Henrik
     
  8. Lagerfeldt

    Lagerfeldt Guest

    Aight, sent an email to the king.

    The Avalon has tubes so I would expect some degree of warmth but I've never heard it (yet)
     
  9. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    What forms the overall sound in a circuit that contains tubes lies mostly in the components and voltages used(and of course tube quality)... That's why many new tube devices sound so hard and edgy and old devices sound warm.

    Manley has a reputation of being transparant with a strain of warmth.
    It seems to me that you need a lot more warmth to light up your plugins.

    The GX and the Manley is not devices that turns every thing into fire, they are just a little warmer than the Avalon.


    Best Regards,
    Henrik
     
  10. Lagerfeldt

    Lagerfeldt Guest

    OK thanks

    Have you tried comparing the GX and the Manley Vari Mu?

    Can the GX provide more slam too?

    (I'm calling Thomas Li to see if he will lend me a GX to test on)
     
  11. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    Just wait until you hear it! :shock:
    And put your hands on it 8)

    I haven't A/B GX and Manley VariMu.
    But I've heard both in action and found the GX just what i was looking for.

    Best Regards
     
  12. Lagerfeldt

    Lagerfeldt Guest

    Great.

    BTW Nice offer (on your website) in July-August :shock: :)
     
  13. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    regarding the avalons....

    i haven't heard the 747 but we have two of the 737 and the master eq 2077 and they all sound VERY clean (borderline clinical!)

    good for the next usher album but not for warming things up!

    as i can see you're located i cph. so you're welcome for coffee anytime... http://www.studioc4.dk

    by the way henrik... my old vari-mu WILL set things on fire but it has been on for 10 hours a day for three years!! looking forward to comparing vari-mu comps the next time we meet!!
     
  14. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    by the way.... sorry for posting three times.... bad internet connection at the time
     
  15. Lagerfeldt

    Lagerfeldt Guest

    Aight sounds nice,

    C4... isn't that where Schumann is? Don't recognize the name Iznogood though :) (except from the comic) :p
     
  16. iznogood

    iznogood Member

    Rune Zetterstrøm at your service
     
  17. Lagerfeldt

    Lagerfeldt Guest

    Ah, the iZnogood comes from Zetterström?

    Cool, some nice sounding stuff coming from C4 indeed.
     
  18. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    Thanks!
    you are always welcome to come by and have a talk... and maybe a try out if you have some material ready?

    Rune, we must soon meet and have that jitter test done.
    I'm more than ready now with my new modified top-of-the-line Plextor drive!! 8)


    Best Regards,
     
  19. Lagerfeldt

    Lagerfeldt Guest

    Cool, right now most of the stuff I do is mastered by Björn Engelmann in Cutting Room, Sweden as I haven't been 100% satisfied with either Dandisc or Tocano (no offense).
     
  20. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    I can understant you.
    Did you read all my brochure? about what i stand for?
    I hope that you haven't completely turned your back on Denmark when it comes to mastering.
    I would very much like to give you a demo of my work if you have a raw file you could deliver to me.

    Either way lets have a talk sometime about likes and deslikes about mastering.


    Best Regards,
     

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