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the right MOBO for my gear ???

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Sanity Inn, Oct 21, 2003.

  1. Sanity Inn

    Sanity Inn Guest

    I'm ready to put a DAW together for my gear,, but would like suggestions on boards based on my software choice and card

    would appreciate anyone using same gear to let me know their choice of MOBO and RAM etc..

    Appreciate any and all feedback

    things that will go in my DAW

    1- soundcard... RME HSDP 9652 with ADI-8 DS PRO
    1- Radeon 7500 dual head AGP video card
    1 -MOTU miditimepiece unit eventually
    1 -UAD-1 card, ( or maybe two after i read about it more lol)
    1- software Samplitude 7 and various plug in and software

    I've been suggested the P4S800 board by my PC guy , any comment

    Thanks in advance, will be back to read all your advice :) )

    Sanity Inn

    " Logic rules, emotion wins"
  2. mjones4th

    mjones4th Active Member

    Aug 15, 2003
    I strongly second that suggestion. I love Asus boards, and Intel chipset is the best way to go for a P4 system. Or you could go the Athlon XP route and get a Asus A7N8X mobo (also has Intel chipset). Check the mobo specs to find out what type of RAM it supports. And don't skimp on cheap RAM, its not worth it.

  3. mjones4th

    mjones4th Active Member

    Aug 15, 2003
    Also, I can't guarantee you compatibility with your hardware list, because the list of variables is just too long.

  4. Sanity Inn

    Sanity Inn Guest

    Thanks mitzel

    Appreciate the input ,,,

    I was also looking at the p4p800 , but my guy is graoning about installing more drivers for the chip set,,

    is that a better way to go ???

    whats a good Ram combo if i go 1 gig ???

    thanks again

  5. mjones4th

    mjones4th Active Member

    Aug 15, 2003
    I'm sorry I just noticed that your first post was for the P4S800. That's the one with the SIS chipset. The P4P800 is and the P4C800 are basically neck to neck. The C has the Intel 865 chipset,w while the P has the 865PE. I'm too lazy right now to do any research, but that's the main difference.

    As for 1GB RAM, get the biggest chips that the MOBO supports, that way you won't have to remove RAM to add more
  6. Sanity Inn

    Sanity Inn Guest

    Thankz Again Mitzelplik

    I'm tellin ya this is a confusing decision

    one board has hyper threading for running ram at 800 fsb, but most ppl turn it off in bios, hence spending needless money on ram that cant be uesed right

    then no hyper thread,,

    geesh, i just wanna record lolol

    anyway , appreciate the input,,,

    well see who quotes the least on package as one shop will work with the " S" board and one wont,, lol

    peace thnx , going coocoo trying to make a decision

    Sanity Inn or is that Inn Sanity :) ))
  7. mjones4th

    mjones4th Active Member

    Aug 15, 2003
    Sanity Inn,

    Hyperthreading deals with the processor, not the memory. Its a feature within the Pentium that allows it to be seen as two processors by Windows. In a DAW it has its drawbacks, but none of them concern RAM

    It has no connection, as a matter of fact, wit hthe RAM. The RAM speed matches the front side bus (FSB) speed. The FSB is the connection between RAM and processor. So whether or not a board supports HT, makes no difference in the type of RAM you get. The key is the FSB, (as well as MOBO compatibility)

  8. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    Nope. This is the nVidia chipset.

    Get an Intel/Intel, or an AMD/nVidia.
  9. Tore Nylund

    Tore Nylund Guest

    I agree that you should go for the models with Intel chipset... So no "S" please.
    Just another question:
    Isn't it better with two sticks of 512 Mb than one 1Gb ? Isn't the Dual-Channel DDR400 Memory support on the Asus "800" Mobo's working better with two sticks, or did I remember it all wrong?
  10. Sanity Inn

    Sanity Inn Guest

    Hey Gang, thanks for the follow thru

    My latest quote was a P4P 800 Deluxe,,

    2 X 512 gig Ram but no brand ,

    any suggestions for CDRW to work with SAMplitude


    I'll post my set up b4 I go ahead and buy it, just to get confirmation

    Thanks again appreciate all the help

  11. Tore Nylund

    Tore Nylund Guest

    one more thing: Hopefully you won't have any trouble with the Radeon 7500 video card.... but I would go for Matrox G550 just to be on the safe side.
    I also think that you should concider to get a DVD/CD-RW since I think that more samplebased software will come on DVD in a near future. Maybe go for a "DVD-burner" so that you can back-up a project on just one disc.... I really wish I had one.
  12. jscott

    jscott Guest

    As a respondant to many of these threads, here's how I see it:

    You definatley DO NOT want the SiS version of this board for DAW, performance will suffer.

    You have 2 proven choices depending upon what your needs are?

    If VST/Softsynth/Midi is your thing, then some are reporting better performance (benchmarks) with the NForce2 chipset boards. Popular choices are the ABIT NF7-S and the ASUS A7N8X Deluxe. The only trick here is to make sure you pay attention to memory and get modules that are known to work. NForce2 chipsets are picky about memory and power. You must have a minimum or a combined 220watts on the +5, +3.3v rails and 28amps on the +3.3v, as stated on the side of the units.

    If going mainly audio, then the Intel 865/875 chipsets are the ticket. Midi does not appear to be much of and issue either way. BUT...you need to make sure your interface will work with whatever choice you've made.

    Now without getting technical, in most cases you do feel or see and speed difference between either platform if you are fair to yourself and have used comperable CPUs. So the way I see it, if you want a AMD processor, then do it with a Barton core and use the NForce2 chipset. Built one of these a few months ago and its a screaming stable machine.

    If you like Pentiums and feel better about that, then use the 865. I use a P4 based system in my studio as my main unit and it too is very fast a stable.

    And then you can always use the higher priced 875 if you think that will help you in some way? With the 875 you get PATand ECC memory support. ECC is a non issue for the most part and PAT you can read about and decide if you think thats the ticket or not? I'd choose the 865 platform because DAW is not graphic intensive.

    I've built many systems based upon various chipsets. My impression is the NForce2 chipset has been proving to be a good choice as are the Intel 865's. So I updated the parts list below a little to reflect whats currently available for the AMD box and give alternatives for an Intel box (its from my perspective):
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Processor Athlon Barton 2500 Cost -$92 (2800 is $183)
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Motherboard ABIT NF7-S Nforce2 or Asus A7N8X Deluxe - Budget Cost -$122 (Abit slightly less)
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Memory 2-OCZ PC3200 Performance Series OCZ400512R2 Cost -$236
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1-WD WESTERN DIGITAL 40GB 7200RPM EIDE HARD DRIVE MODEL # WD400JB - OEM Cost -$64
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1-WD 80 GB 8mb Cache (master) 1-WD 40 GB 2MB cache (Slave) Cost -$77
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Antec Cobra A26 Round 133 ATA Cable Model 77226 Retail Cost -$12
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Floppy Drive Teac 1.44MB, 3.5'' [base] Cost -$14 (You may still need this thing)
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Video - Any Matrox G550 or like ASUS V9520TD GeForce FX5200 Video Card w/DVI - Buget Cost -$100
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LiteOn DVD-ReWritable Drive MODEL LDW-401S Cost -$105
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ANTEC PERFORMANCE II Model# SX635II MINI TOWER CASE w/ Antec 350W Cost -$75
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Operating System Microsoft Windows XP HOME Sp1a Cost -$91
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nvidia v2.45 Driver set, no install of stock drivers with motherboard.
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ABIT NF7-S v18 BIOS flased prior to any format or WINDOWS installation.
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ALL system default timings are being used.
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Memory in bank 3 and 2 (must use two modules for Dual Channel operation.
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Install order, BIOS, WINDOWS, v2.45 driver set, graphics driver set.
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Total Cost -$988
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    Intel : (dollars to be substituted where appropriate) If you go Intel P4 you can use either a ABIT IS7 ($102), ASUS P4P800 Deluxe ($121) or Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000Pro ($109) and grab a P4 2.4C ($181) or 2.8C Retail for about ($274). I am a big fan of ABIT, it has always worked better for me than ASUS, and is a bit cheaper as well. Have also had great success with GigaByte. So whatever you like. Yes, bigger faster badder is better if your pocket allows but is probably not required unless you are going to approach it as using bunches of plugs, VST/Softsynth stuff?

    Memory: In doing a bit of research on the P4P800 for someone else, heres what I found out about the memory usage. Althogh the MB will run with PC2700, if PC2700 memory is used in combination with an 800 MHz FSB CPU, it will run at 320 MHz instead of 333 MHz and the board will not allow use of the high performance settings. So you really want to go with DDR400 PC3200, it will perform faster than PC2700 and also operate in dual channel mode so long as one of each of the blue and black connectors are populated.

    As for which brand, etc. I can highly recommend the OCZ DDR PC-3200 Performance Series Memory 256MB Model# OCZ400256R2 w/ Copper heatspreader, CAS2.0 DDR 400Mhz memory, Lifetime Warranty - OCZ400256R2. These are usually very stable and known to work with that and the ABIT boards. Obviously just buy two of the 512MB modules if wanting 1.0 GB of Dual Channel Ram.

    DVD: At a minimum you want a DVD drive with the DVD+R format so you can add volumes at a later date. DVD-R is a volume all at once format.
    Good luck!
  13. Sanity Inn

    Sanity Inn Guest

    Thanks jscott

    very informative,,,

    lets see

    I intend to record Audio mostly ,, but since i don't have real players at my disposal will be doing rest of tracks in midi for concepts...

    the gear is detailed at top of forum, and the lastest quote for a DAW is below , with follow up questions to my pc guy at end of sentences,,,

    As for cdrw or DVD r,,, i'll have to research that one, i know Samplitude had a few they suggest on the site but can't seem to find it now ,,,

    ASUS P4P800-DELUXE MAINBOARD................... which is better , p4c or p4p? price difference ?
    --INTEL P4 3.0 GHZ CPU W/800FSB.................... what chip version ?
    --2X512M DDR 400 RAM ............what brand of Ram, can you quote Corsier???
    --2X80GB WD HD W/8MB
    --ATI RADEON 7500 VGA W/DUAL DISPLAY ......i need this to fit AGP slot,,,, also quote radeon 9000 please
    --ONBOARD LAN ,SC,1394,
    --LG 52X24X52 CDRW ......what brand is this ???
    --FLOPPY DRIVE................. just the " A " drive??? i dont need a standard CD rom drive if I have burner ?
    --ATX CASE WITH 450W POWER what brand of Power supply??? is 415 watt cheaper? any variable speed on this ?
    --2-PORT KVM SWITCH AND KVM CABLES not sure what this is , please explain

    TOTAL:$1649+TAX canadian

    again, thanks for the direction gang,,,

  14. Sanity Inn

    Sanity Inn Guest

    ps jscott

    "" DVD: At a minimum you want a DVD drive with the DVD+R format so you can add volumes at a later date. DVD-R is a volume all at once format.

    whats the added cost to going DVD?
    can one play transport DVD to non DVD

    will Samplitude and other software, nero etc, be cool with this??

    many mote thanks

  15. mjones4th

    mjones4th Active Member

    Aug 15, 2003
    A DVD+-RW will cost you about $150-200. A fast CD burner will cost you $50. I would suggest both if the budget (and IDE connectors on the mobo) allow. CD burner to create audio CDs (the point of all our efforts) and to transfer smaller batches of files. DVD for backup, and for when you finish that indie film score.

  16. MisterBlue

    MisterBlue Guest

    Basically all DVD+RW drives out there include CD+RW functionality. No need to get both! Plus, once you have used DVD+RW's there is only one reason to use CD+RW's: Audio CD compatibility.

    I got a Mitsumi DVD+RW for $139 the other day and it works great in my machine. No issues at all.

  17. mjones4th

    mjones4th Active Member

    Aug 15, 2003
    Yeah you're right MisterBlue. My advice is partially based on the fact that in the past the DVD burners had abysmal CD burn rates, like 16x. And also, I burn waaaayyyy more CDs than DVDs, so for me and many others it makes sense to relegate the CD burning to a second drive. In the past this would protect the investment in the DVD drive, by decreasing the workload, but in 6 months, they'll be $99.99, so hey, I guess you don't need both.

    I guess I need to get with the times, and put my trusty old DVR-104 to rest. 8x CD burning, who'da thunk it? I bought an external TDK to handle CD chores, 48X and I love it. CDs used to take 4evrrrrrr on my DVD drive.
  18. jdsdj98

    jdsdj98 Active Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    Denver, CO
    I'm a little confused here. I've been under the impression that the term "dual channel," when referring to RAM, is built specifically for hyperthreading. Aren't the two channels of RAM made available, one channel each, to the two virtual processors in a hyperthreading system, thus creating two virtual banks of RAM? Dual channel RAM is quite a bit more expensive than standard RAM, so in that case, doesn't it make sense to not spend any more $$$$ than is necessary on RAM? Since I've disabled hyperthreading in my DAW, I've chosen not to spend extra money on dual channel memory. Your advice in not skimping on RAM, both in terms of quantity and quality, seems to suggest that I should have spent an extra couple hundred bucks on RAM. Would you say I skimped here in not springing for the best, most expensive stuff out there? Just wondering for my own clarification.
  19. Sanity Inn

    Sanity Inn Guest

    Hey Jamie ,,

    that's what i've been confused about on a few forums I read,,

    basically buying a mobo that has this, them the Ram that can do this only to disable it cause it's not solid on audio,

    so same coments were made, why spend money on faster Ram if when disabled acts like standard pc ??

    either way, gonna have to bite the bullet and make a choice ,,

    Again thanks for making this a good post gang :)

  20. Sanity Inn

    Sanity Inn Guest

    choices for my DVD drives


    $159--NEC ND1300A
    $169--ASUS 0402PD
    $179--LG 4040B
    $199--PIONEER 106D
    $209--SONY DWU14A


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