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The Snare HH bleed problem

Discussion in 'Drums' started by tmcconnell, May 29, 2008.

  1. tmcconnell

    tmcconnell Guest

    I know there are lots of solutions for the Snare HH problem - but I want to ask if anyone has tried this:

    Stick an omni between them as the mic for both. The theory would be that you'd be getting most of it off the overheads anyway, and you are looking for shell sound from the snare in the close mic. At least this way, you would get control over the snare and HH levels as a group, and NOT have any bad off axis sounds from either a snare or HH mic. Its kinda risky depending on the player - but you could always move the omni around to accomodate the correct balance. thoughts?
  2. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    My solution for this is to properly place the snare mic so the hats are firmly in the null of the snare mic and then rely on the overheads for the hat. If you want more hat, simply mic it too, but be careful with the snare bleed from this. A low sensitvity mic as well as a hyper cardioid works well.

    The problem you might find with an omni in this position is the amount of everything else you would pickup and the phase anomilies that would result between this mic and the overheads. Not something you're gonna want to try and fix in the mix.

    One of the main reasons the SM57 as well as the Audix i5 and the Beyer 201 are such go-to snare mics. The null on each of them is very definate.

    Thats another reason I still like the Audix D2 on the snare. There aint nuthin gettin in the back of it. Plus on a big wooden snare it makes the speakers move a lot of air.
  3. tmcconnell

    tmcconnell Guest

    Thanks Dave. This might be a nice Job for a Royer 121. Its so very clean in the null plane - and its take the spl - and the opposite null migh take a little kick out as a bonus. t.
  4. sammyg

    sammyg Active Member

    Dec 12, 2003
    tell the damn drummer to stop smashing the daylights out of his/her cymbals!
    Its amazing how many drummers dont realize that they are hitting the cymbals/hats way to hard in context to the whole drum kit. If they complain, tell them thats why you have these things called microphones!

    I was amazed at the drum sound simon philips had when I saw toto, he taps his cymbals but the kit as a whole still sounded mighty.

    A cymbal being swiped sounds much sweeter than a cymbal thats "poling" because its being hit too hard!


  5. tmcconnell

    tmcconnell Guest

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