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There's a new sheriff in town...and he's lookin' for

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by RandomGuest, Feb 11, 2001.

  1. RandomGuest

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    I’ve heard the quote “writing about music is like dancing about architecture” attributed to Frank Zappa on more than one occasion. I suppose that’s true...if it is, then writing about audio can be akin to “dancing an elevator shaft”. Audio, while a necessary component of recorded music, has damn little use on it’s own [imagine a building that was just an elevator? One big shaft with a whole lot of doors 1,000 ft. into the sky...not all that useful, but interesting, sorta like a “spec” sheet], it’s the music that’s important.

    So these dumb bastards gave me my own place to howl...how ‘bout that. I wouldn’t have...but hey, let’s have some fun with this shall we. OK...this is your place, y’all can make it what you will. So...what should we do here? How about anything we want.

    I’ve always looked at engineering [and associated fields] as a method to support the music. I’ve heard records where the audio got in the way of the music, and I’ve heard other recordings where the audio so supported the musical statement, it’s nearly impossible to think of the musical statement with any other audio. The music, the performance, the recorded tone all melt into one presentation and that presentation is the perfect translation of the artist’s vision. When that happens, it’s a little slice of heaven. You can’t really write about that. You either do it, or you don’t...it’s kinda like a romance novel, it can get you hot, but being ‘Emanuel the Gardener’ is a hell of a lot better than reading about ‘Emanuel the Gardener’s exploits.

    I suppose we can talk about some of the tools employed to achieve it...I suppose we can talk about some interesting techniques, and stupid pet tricks we’ve discovered that helped to provide it...but we really can’t talk about “it”. We can definitely call out the people that make the tools that we need to build our product.

    Got a bitch/gripe/whatever? Bring it here, we’ll see if we can put them on the hot seat...together. Hi there “XXX Co.”...’Emanuel the Gardener here, and I was kinda wondering why the new _____ sucks, and when you were going to get around fixing ____ problem?’

    First rule...there are no rules. When you get down to it, most of these ‘magazine sponsored forum’ thingy’s probably want to ‘coddle’ the advertisers; play nice; show respect; blah, blah, ^#$%ing blah. Nyuh-uh. This is by for and about us who make music. Period. While there are definite plans to beat the bushes and rattle up some corporate coin, there will be no corporate semen swallowed here today.

    This is the fun end of the sand box...the end here throwing the sand is OK. But you damn well better be able to back it up after you throw it. No one is granted respect. Respect will either be earned or not earned...that extends to the participants, as well as to the subject matter. If you throw sand, be prepared to have it whipped back at you fast, and furiously.

    I read in Sonny Barger's biography that they banned smoking in the Oakland Chapter of the HAMC's clubhouse...let me assure you, this is the smoking section. Here we can be as politically incorrect, and abjectly insensitive as anywhere you've ever been. We will stay modertately on track. We will stay to hardware and techniques, food and drink. The morality or non-morality of 'Napster' (and those similar) will get zero play here.

    Sorry, I'm ^#$%ing sick of it, this is going to be a Napster free discussion zone. Let some other damn forum get into that BS...not for our club.

    Feel free to get personal, but have a valid e-mail address if you do. Cyber anonymity is all well and good, and you may feel free to enjoy it, but if you call someone out, be man [or wo-main] enough to have a direct response address. They gave me editing privileges, as well as deletion privileges....I will make you look like a drooling baboon if you call someone out while doing the “cyber-anonymous”, no return address/no private contact information provided. Round these parts, you’re either a known quantity, or you’re lurking, or a contributor that’s not calling someone out. Hey, if you want to contribute, be as anonymous as you’d like, but you have to be nice if you’re going to be anonymous. You wanna get personal with someone, be ready to back it up, and identify yourself [$*^t, that almost sounds like rules...what an asshole hypocrite I’m already turning into...next thing you know I’ll wanna be Governor of Texas or some $*^t.

    Rule two...oh there isn’t one; refer to rule one for details. But if there were one...it would be: “be funny”. There are way too many serious motherfuckers in this business. Let’s have some damn fun.

    Irreverence is the word of the day. Oh, if you haven’t noticed, I have a potty mouth[or in this case potty typing fingers], if you’re sensitive to issues of language...then please, go the ^#$% away now before this forum bums you right the ^#$% out. “Parental Advisory: Explicit ^#$%ing Lyrics”.

    What about blasting manufacturers? Fair game!! Hang ‘um high! But we might want to praise the good ones as kind of a countermeasure...for shits and giggles [I’ve always wondered the derivation of that phrase...what sick bastard came up with that...you’ve got to wonder]. We can blast each other, hell blast the “books” and the other ‘moderators’...especially me. Truth be known...I’m the least qualified son of a bitch that should ever have a “forum”. I pimp gear and record "demos". I've been around the block a couple of times, I've worked on a couple of records that have actually sold, but I'm not any genius by any stretch of the imagination. This is your forum, I'm just "HNIC", so deal with it that way.

    Let’s not disappoint, OK? Let’s make this fun, educational, fun, productive, fun, and while we’re at it, give everyone a voice. Got a question?, got a beef?...ever wonder why the “XXX Co” never implemented the “YYYY feature” like they said they were going to? Hell...let’s ask ‘um? That sounds like fun to me. I’ve got a few other questions brewing around my brain that will get asked as time moves along...but first, let’s see how and where you guys take this.

    Hey, thanks to everyone for inviting me to the dance...hope I’m worthy of your expectations!! In the immortal words of my hero: Al Bundy “...let’s rock” [though I suppose Gary Gilmore’s last words could also be appropriately applied here: “Let’s do it”...which when you think of the Nike slogan...kinda makes you wonder now don’t it].
     
  2. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff Resource Member

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    Welcome Aboard! :cool:
     
  3. Tom G

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    Hello Fletcher and RO participants,

    I'm intrigued by Fletcher's statements snipped below and would really like to see some specific examples from anyone who has 'em. Things like overproduction, bad sonics, etc. It would seem so easy to go astray in terms of realizing the artist's/producer's original vision.

    As a rule are first takes generally the best, or are there really no rules ever?

    <snip>
    Originally posted by Fletcher:

    I’ve always looked at engineering [and associated fields] as a method to support the music. I’ve heard records where the audio got in the way of the music, and I’ve heard other recordings where the audio so supported the musical statement, it’s nearly impossible to think of the musical statement with any other audio. The music, the performance, the recorded tone all melt into one presentation and that presentation is the perfect translation of the artist’s vision. When that happens, it’s a little slice of heaven. You can’t really write about that.


    Thanks for the forum. In it for the music.

    Tom
     
  4. hargerst

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    Geez, and the first ^#$%ing post to get censored and deleted is MY post? Tough crowd.
    :confused:
     
  5. Mike Clark

    Mike Clark Guest

    Fletcher,

    Your words are true poetry! Thanks a million for the Neve parts.

    Mike
     
  6. Ang1970

    Ang1970 Well-Known Member

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    "One big shaft with a whole lot of doors 1,000 ft. into the sky..."
    Hmm... could be used to describe something else, but let's not get into that now. :D
    Let's turn this motherfucker out!
     
  7. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff Resource Member

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    Harvey, we had to do a couple of extra goodies ;) in Fletcher's set up process. Sorry your's and a few others got bined.

    :cool:

    audiokid
     
  8. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

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    Fletch, you've definately got a 'different' attitude about this thing...KEWL. However,
    I've got some bad news for you...I beat you to a punch. You wrote:
    Truth be known...I’m the least qualified son of a bitch that should ever have a “forum”.
    Hehehe...I'm a guitar teacher who got his first DAW a year ago! At the same time, I bought my first computer! In my own defense, though, I think I've done a pretty good job
    here on RO so far, and as you know, I have a lot more to do. I help when I can, and stay out of the stuff that's over my head. Chris and Ang have proven to be great friends and colleagues, and I'm proud to be associated with them. I like your 'bull in a china shop' start here, but know enough about you to be aware of your professionality. I'm looking forward to working together with you on RO. Welcome aboard, mate!
    Oh, BTW, DAMN $*^t PISS MOTHERFUCKER ...
    Aaaaaaahhhh, that felt good... :cool:
     
  9. Gregg

    Gregg Guest

    Armageddon. A place moderated by Fletcher! Overall it's not as smooth as Usenet and the server, when busy, denies access. Oh, the cookies gotta go. On the + side there is no butler, napster and other cruff here. Rock on!

    Tonebarge :D
     
  10. Aaron-Carey

    Aaron-Carey Active Member

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    YES!!!!
    Fletcher on the RO!!!
    it RULES it RULES!!!
     
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff Resource Member

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    Tonebarge, welcome aboard!

    We are just beta testing this new ubb. It's pretty nice and packed with cool features but, right now it has a few bugs that effect the speed. I've been told they are working on this and it will pick up speed soon.

    until then, keep coming back! :D
     
  12. Originally posted by hargerst:
    Geez, and the first ^#$%ing post to get censored and deleted is MY post? Tough crowd.
    :D

    Anyway, welcome Fletcher let's get this place rockin.

    Mark Plancke
     
  13. RandomGuest

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    Welcome aboard Fletch!
    I am in anticipation of some of the topics that will grace this forum....
    :D :D
     
  14. Well with Google taking over Deja and denying me access to RAP for now(I know, "get a newsreader"--with my LAN?--right!), I decided to check the wind over hear. Mmmm...stanky....

    I just gotta chuckle at the idea of Fletcher as a moderator. In the spirit of non-political-correctness I make the following statements: I reserve the right to use the word "gay" just like I always did on the playground in third grade. Furthurmore, this: :eek: looks how I remember my first girlfriend.

    OK, as you were.
     
  15. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff Resource Member

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    Hope you all see what's happening with R.A.P. :( . I was approached a few months back by one of these open directory search engine reps. They asked me for all my email addreses and in exchange for them they would give me a high ratings advertising space on their search engine.

    **** Them! :cool:
     
  16. Geoff Wood

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    "Moderated by Fletcher" - isn't that a contradiction in terms ?!! ;)
     
  17. hargerst

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    No, it simply means "no moderation", except if you get way out of line, you will be kicked out on your butt. Standard biker bar rules. :D
     
  18. Steven Sena

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    It sure is nice to get passed the rudiments or recording, yes I know what a pan knob does and what EQ is for.
    Hey, I know I stand on the shoulders of giants when I am working in my "little" studio and I hope to pick up some useful insight into the deeper thinking of recording and sound by hanging out here.
    Good luck to us all...
     
  19. hargerst

    hargerst Active Member

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    Originally posted by R Krizman:
    Hope you all see what's happening with R.A.PWell, I still see r.a.p. as a valuable resource for a long time to come. While I'll be here every day, I will also continue to support r.a.p.
     
  20. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff Resource Member

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    I agree Harvey, not saying it isn't at all. I read a few post on rap disin us for putting up a banner for advertising. acting like R.A.P. is pure and RO is just another Guitar site. The fact is that they sell all the email addresses to mailing circles. To me. that's going to far. When I see Google taking the drivers seat I know exactly what's happening.

    That's my point.

    Just trying to point out that our banner isn't so bad up there. We need some help to keep this site going. :cool:
     

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