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audio Thoughts on this mix in progress

Discussion in 'Fix This MIX!' started by Kerfoot32, Mar 14, 2013.

  1. Kerfoot32

    Kerfoot32 Active Member



    I'm still working on this mix and wanted to see what you guys think needs the most work. Any advice and opinions are much appreciated.
     
  2. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    hi,

    best advice I can give you is pull the kick down by 5db or so. Its out of proportion with the rest of the track. Try that and re post the mix.
     
  3. Kerfoot32

    Kerfoot32 Active Member

    Alright I reuploaded it to the same link
     
  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    much better!
     
  5. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    listening to this was like someone sticking "needles in my mind" so to speak. i can honestly say this is one of the worst things i have heard in years ... and i have heard a lot of really bad stuff posted.

    Chris was being kind when he said to pull the kick back ... who ever the drummer is they should be dragged out into the street and run over by an SUV ... the vocalist should be next. the guitar playing is just as bad ... worst solo ever ... it's just horrible ... but what do i know? it will probably be a hit. goes to show.
     
  6. Kerfoot32

    Kerfoot32 Active Member

    Wow, that was unnecessary. I'm just looking for some advice on my mix.
     
  7. Kerfoot32

    Kerfoot32 Active Member

    Lol glad you think so. Anything I should touch up?
     
  8. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Since the last time I listened to this, I've dissembled my entire mixing studio and have it all in boxes so I cannot be as accurate now.

    Not that this is of any interest but it is somewhat related to what Kurt is thinking. I'm debating selling my studio and getting out of this digital crap industry, or taking my analog rig to my lake property and going into online mixing ( not sure yet). Fishing helps me mellow out. The reason I'm thinking about selling it all is because the industry has reached a point of self destruction and stupid beyond words. Music sounds like ass to me and I'm having a hard time staying positive lol. . So, I hear what Kurt is saying here.

    Your mix sounds like digital crap and bad plug-in compression on every track. But the song is cool enough that a good studio could redo it all and help your goal.

    Its hard to say fix this or that because I can tell you don't have good gear to work with. Any suggestions are never going to help much. This is the sound of digital squash , over use of bad plug-ins and poor converters. The overall mix however, aside from the setbacks, is more even now. So you've done a good job for what you have to work with.

    I hope this helped some. others here with less expectation will have more positive to say. Many here are using digital crap too and they are used to it. Hang in there, Remy is around the corner and she is always a hoot to follow.
     
  9. Kerfoot32

    Kerfoot32 Active Member

    I never get this much negativity and rudeness on the other (better) recording forums. I kinda don't want to post here anymore. My plugins are good. I can't afford analog. I'm just new to the game and am looking for constructive criticism to help my mixing techniques improve.
     
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I remember when I gave my first demo out and the record company said it wasn't ready. I took it to heart. Little did I know back then, I thought they were attacking my talent when it was my recording and mix they were talking about. I wasn't ready for the air and their stamp of approval.

    Listening back to it years later, they were right, it wasn't ready at all.
    At the time however, my music sounded great to me. How dare them. But you know what, it was mixed on a crappy system and it sounded all muffled.

    So what are you wondering here? If you are a newbie, its sounds great. Keep up the good work.
    Are you posting this music with the expectation that is would be commercial ready? Or, are you just wondering how it sounds?

    Let me ask you a question, Did you use compressors on every channel?
     
  11. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    again Chris is being kind. well i think the mix or the equipment used is not the issue.

    the singing is out of tune.

    the drumming is horrible. the drums contribute nothing to the effort. completely inappropriate. it sounds like a galloping horse with a broken leg that needs to be shot .

    the guitar solo sucks. learn to play

    no amount of re recording or studio trickery will make up for the fact that it's a crap song and crap performance. and just because no one on any other forums has the hair to tell you the truth doesn't make me wrong. i know what's good and this ain't it. don't quit your day job.

    if you read the disclaimer it says "- EGO WARNING: If you can't take constructive criticism and work together as a group, this mixing forum is not for you."

    ... if you don't want an honest opinion, don't ask.
     
  12. Kerfoot32

    Kerfoot32 Active Member

    But I didn't ask your opinion on the performance did I? This isn't my band, there is no ego involved. You're just a dick.
     
  13. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I think your mix would sound better with less compression or plug-ins. The reason I say this, is because I know something that others may not hear. I'm blessed with a really nice system that has allowed me to listen to things and tune into a sound that cause's something I cannot describe in a few words. Majority are all suffering from this.

    Bottom line is, take as many plug-ins off your session and see what it does. I hear severe hemorrhaging between your tracks. Or smear, or dead. It produces a boring flat line that is caused from digital music and poor code. You don't have to believe me but do yourself a favour and start over on this one. This time see how well you can do with less stuff. This is the secret to a more open and lively sounding mix.

    One thing at a time.

    After this, the next step willl be shaping.

    Does this make sense?

    I've said enough, its up to you now.

    Cheers!
     
  14. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    oooow ooohch! that hurts ..... lol like no ones ever called me a dick before/ LOL.

    .... well the mix is fine. i can hear all the elements individually (unfortunately) and the relative balances are ok.

    most who post or comment here and other places on the interweb agree that the song and performance are elemental. in other words "you can't polish a turd" (unless of course you freeze it). this seems to be an attempt to polish a turd.

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    "what we have here, is failure to communicate."

    i personally would not post something like that on the net and associate myself with it. so don't try to tell me there's no ego involved ... you were hoping someone would tell you you're the next Phil Spector ... sorry, you're not.

    everyone’s entitled to an opinion, especially when asked. you asked. i didn't so who's the dick?
     
  15. Kerfoot32

    Kerfoot32 Active Member

    For the 2nd time, I didn't ask for your opinion on the performance. I wanted people to tell me what parts of the mix to work on, not tell me I'm Phil Spector. **** off.
     
  16. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    first you requested;

    now you say;

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    well excuse me ...

    what needs work is the song and the playing ...
    i thought you said any advice and opinions are much appreciated .... oh wait! you did say that ... until someone (meee!) said it sucked ... then you don't want to hear it.

    i think it's you ... all of it. your bad singing, your bad guitar playing and your bad song writing but you won't own up to it. on your RO profile under instruments you entered ALL. on Soundcloud the song is posted as Kerfoot (you) and not a band ... does this so called "band" know you're posting their song under your name? so which is it? are you a plagiarist or a liar? you ain't no one man band Stevie Wonder .. that's for sure.

    i can't separate the intellectual property from the physical mix ... what does it matter if the mix is prefect if the material and performances suck?

    i would rather hear a good song and good performance recorded and mixed badly than bad playing and writing well recorded. i mean what's the point? back at ya with the f off. save the bandwith for something good.


    "Don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you you want me to." Fleetwood Mac"
     
  17. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Here's the thing...

    Bad performances will absolutely effect the mix.

    For just one example, when you have a kick and a bass that aren't in time/together, it wreaks havoc with things like compressors and limiters and their respective attack and release settings.

    So while you can say that you want just the mix critiqued, the music is absolutely effecting the quality of your mix.

    -d.
     
  18. Kerfoot32

    Kerfoot32 Active Member

    Alright guys, I understand everything you're saying and I appreciate the feedback. I wanted honesty and boy did I get it. And that really isn't my band. There's a variety of songs from multiple bands on my soundcloud. They're all productions of mine that I throw on my soundcloud so I can let forums hear them and tell me how bad my mixes are lol.
     
  19. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    You are Cool,

    I stayed away from the performance because you asked about the mix. But, I still stand firm on the compression which is killing the sound of your mix. Most compression plug-ins in general sound like crap to me, especially when you use more than a few when you really don't need them. I know 90% of the population thinks different but thats because they are in the dark. Learn to mix with less of that and your mixes will come alive. You will also be able to help your "bands"/clients become better performers. And, your ear will develop and know what transients are all about. Don't kill it all in the beginning. Leave room for the mastering comp.

    Keep your levels low enough on the tracks so you aren't slamming the master track.
     
  20. Kerfoot32

    Kerfoot32 Active Member

    Thanks for the wisdom tree. I'm listening to you. I'm gonna post a new song in a few days and I'm going a lot easier on the compression this time. Do you recommend a certain master bus peak level during a mix?

    Also what is your opinion on master bus compression?
     

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