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Tips on drums

Discussion in 'Drums' started by sirchick, Dec 22, 2008.

  1. sirchick

    sirchick Active Member

    I have been trying to replicate drums of a song but i know what i need but don't know how to achieve it. Been trying for hours to get the kick to have a punch but sound very tight whilst equally keeping the symbols soft and drawn out and relaxed..
    And the toms seem a bit off to me too but i aint totally sure what the toms need as im currently needing help on the kick and cymbals.

    I have snippet of the original song about 10 seconds long, and then my average attempt uploaded for your expert ears to take a listen and hopefully have some pointers for me.

    I use drum kit from hell superior 2 for my drum creating encase that helps to know :)

    https://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=batch_download&send_id=636785662&email=e5aa811c6d0e177ffe9e7eae629c7b1a

    Hope you can help.
     
  2. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Well, first, your good demonstration was in mono. While your track is in stereo.

    And so have you ever tried some RMS compression & gating? How about some equalization? What about some different drum samples? After all, you're not actually recording this. So you don't have to worry about microphone type, placement, phase problems. But you still need to pick the right sounding samples. Their drums don't sound like your drums. Completely different flavor. Have you tried other samples? Surely there must be others in your drum machines software sample baggage? But I would be adding some hard midrange equalization boost. Some compression & gating. And for me, it's a big deal whether I'd choose to have the base drum in phase or inverted phase when I record drums. Going from just samples, I can't necessarily get my sound? Because the microphones don't have the opportunity to interact with each other and the whole set. So you can't necessarily get the same kind of feel. You know, most people don't use drum machines software for their recordings? Most folks use drummers. So trying to reproduce something that is not even attempted as it once was done? Will usually come out with something different sounding. You can only matchup so many things.

    Don't get me wrong. I played a little bit with your example. There's too much reverb slop on your samples. Compression makes them muddy and you can't gate mud very effectively. So I wouldn't do the reverb that way. And it really needs a hard yank on the upper midrange EQ. You're still going to need to add some kind of limiting. Why not try another bass drums sound that has a shorter reverb with a little harder hit? And you may well discover that the entire stereo mix of the other song has been also put through other stages of compression & limiting. So in the end, the drums to change considerably. Short ambience seems to be the order of the day? Not long reverbs.

    Keep trying.
    Ms. Remy Ann David
     
  3. sirchick

    sirchick Active Member

    Hey thanks for the advice... one quick question how would i give the kick a more deeper ambient sound like the kick sounds in the original... its got a much more punchier feel with a bit of breathing space... is it less compression that would give it more freedom to breathe?
     

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