'Track Zero' "mastering"

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by JensenBohren, Feb 5, 2009.

  1. JensenBohren

    JensenBohren Guest

    I am working with someone who wants to put a track zero hidden track on his next album; the 'song' is a drumbeat and rapped lyrics that are much more vulgar than the rest of the song, and only 'hardcore' fans will find it.

    I found a mention on Wikipedia that Toast can be used with another file to hide a track in that manner.

    I could not find this method, however, or at least a simple method that I understood and that told how to actually hide a track zero; most of the times the walkthru assumed one long file that you wanted to '588' using the method outlined, not simply creating audio data in the data before the first track on the CD.

    With that said, what programs for Mac OSX are avaible that can actually LOCATE a track zero? Neither ITunes nor Quicktime nor Pro Tools will see Track 0 when importing a Track 1 from a CD with a Track 0 (and I know it's there, as I've rewound to it before).

    If this is not the appropriate forum for the first question, my apologies. I was unsure where the appropriate place was. I know it's probably not the right place for the second question, but since it was related, I thought there was no harm.

    Thank you for your time.
     
  2. Link555

    Link555 Well-Known Member

    Is the disc getting duplicated? You might want to check with your duplicator, I have heard that it is a #$%^ to get CD's with a hidden track at the start gap to replicate. I think I read about it in Bob Katz's book as well.
     
  3. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    It's hit-or-miss at best with many players. It's also very "20th century." Do people still actually want that? It's a nifty little "trick" but it wears off really fast...

    Just hid it somewhere between markers or something (something that won't take it out of spec).
     
  4. MadTiger3000

    MadTiger3000 Active Member

    Most of those "Easter Egg" hidden tracks are in the middle or end. I actually don't remember one starting an album off.
     
  5. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    They probably won't. Players read the TOC and this is outside the TOC. That's why it doesn't even work on a lot of normal players (and when it does, you have to "trick it" into finding it by starting playback and backing up).
     
  6. JensenBohren

    JensenBohren Guest

    The album in question I'm attempting to remove a track 0 (for personal use) is Factory Showroom by They Might Be Giants.

    I found one program (a command-line based one) that will find and digitalize a track 0, but when played back, the track is silence. (belive me, that caused my heart to jump. I had to go get the old player out of the garage and make sure my disc wasn't broken somehow!). The track was still there.


    I have a stereo splitter cable that splits a headphone output into a "Tip" and "Sleeve" quarter inch input; I may plug that into analog inputs five and six of the 002 and record the track 0 into Pro Tools. Any tips on doing that, such as avoiding interference or some other problem I havn't forseen?

    Also, is "Tip" the left or right channel?

    Also, I convinced the guy to just put the extra 'offensive rap' as a data file and have the discs as 'mixed mode.' Anything I should be looking out for with this option when the album goes to replication?
     

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