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Tracking and monitoring in the same room- Problems ?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by jmm22, Nov 1, 2010.

  1. jmm22

    jmm22 Guest

    I am posting this here, in addition to the other forum on studio construction, since it has been there for some time without any replies. Maybe it will get better views here. To me, it seems like an important question to which there must be an answer.

    I seem to recall reading somewhere (in a book) that tracking and monitoring back (listening to the mix) in the same room is not good, due to a build up of room modes, in effect, room modes are printed to the mix, and then are played back and thus summed with the room modes in playback, leading to a misread of the mix.

    Is this true? If so, is there any way to combat this if one must track and listen back in the same room, besides headphones?
     
  2. IIRs

    IIRs Well-Known Member

    Acoustic treatment, with an emphasis on bass trapping.

    Only problem is: control rooms need to be drier than tracking rooms as a general rule. Maybe try to create a dry/wet room, with more absorption at the monitor end...
     
  3. jmm22

    jmm22 Guest

    The room is 7.5 X 13 X 18 and very dry. It is reasonably diffuse, with many small and large objects. It is dual use, so I really cannot modify it in any appreciable way. I guess I will have to add liveliness through reverb, and work through any difficulties it presents.
     
  4. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Track with headphones. Mix through the monitors. There may be some minor issues but as long as you're not tracking with the monitors full bore you won't have much to worry about. Use near field monitors and the room is less of an issue. It's still a problem but not as big a problem.
     
  5. 10x10Studios

    10x10Studios Guest

    I have adjustable panels that I can move in and out of the same room, that allow me to change the listening environment to a tracking environment. For those of us with limited space, this option works very well. I built 2' x 4' panels on their own stands and can move them in and out of the room with ease.
     
  6. BassLiK

    BassLiK Active Member

    I also read somewhere that if limited with a room size for tracking and mixing, it's best to leave it one large room than to divide and make two smaller rooms, especially if your tracking live drums, how true does that hold?, thanks
    I have a fairly good size room, 22x24, and 10ft ceiling, and I want to split the room in half but will my live drum tracks suffer?
     
  7. 10x10Studios

    10x10Studios Guest

    YES!!!

    Yes. If you have the room, 2 separate, smaller rooms is the best way to go. It just alleviates having to fight all the noise going back and fourth. I wish I had that kin of space. Good luck.
     
  8. BassLiK

    BassLiK Active Member

    I heard the opposite somewhere?, but it seems to make sense in what your saying. Thanks
     
  9. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    What he is saying is that if you have the luxury of dividing a space into two good-sized rooms whose shape and symmetry work for a live room and a control room, then do it.
    The ability to monitor independent of the live room is nice.

    The problem w/ dividing the space in half either way is that you're left w/ a dimension "W" of around 11'-12', and a dimension "H" of 10'.
    This doesn't ruin you, but gets you far away from the golden rules for CR dimensions.

    I'm no expert, but my suspicion is that you don't have quite enough space to divide and get two nice rooms. You're close, but I think you'll be wanting a little more width for both rooms...

    I think your better option is to go for a modular single space (interchangeable/removable panels/treatments).

    As an alternative, if you have Max's book, take a look at Figs 10.3 and 10.5 to see an example of a way you MAY be able to divide your space into two rooms.
    The dimensions are a little smaller than yours, but may provide some insight into how to divide a relatively square room.
    This kind of build would be a little more complicated, but might be what you're looking for.

    Hope that helps.
     
  10. BassLiK

    BassLiK Active Member

    Thank you all for your insight, and help. I'm a good framer , and dry waller and building anything is easy for me, especially walls and doors. I just trying to find a article from a well respected engineer who said one big room is better than two smaller rooms. trying my best to find it?
     
  11. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    I think you may have missed my point.
    I'm no acoustic engineer, but this make sense to me:

    If dividing the room makes two lesser spaces, then keep it one room and make adjustments for the current task.
    If dividing the room makes two better spaces, then build walls.

    I've found that square (or worse, cubes) make for poor rooms, period.
    If you can find a way to have a symmetrical CR (but not square), and an asymmetrical tracking room, then go for it.
    If not, work w/ what you have...
     
  12. BassLiK

    BassLiK Active Member

    Definitely get your point bratha, will choose design and start building, currently I track vocals outside, which the results are amazing, I even read in one article that out is the best for vocal cause there's nothing to bounce off, but most facilities can't do that cause it's in the city noise. I live in the middle of the desert and dead quite, except a few F-18's flying over once in a while (LOL)
     

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