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TRUTH B2031 tips?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by pollysix, Jan 6, 2007.

  1. pollysix

    pollysix Guest

    Hi there,

    Kinda new to this forum. Seems like a good place though. Lots of knowledgable people.

    So I recently bought a pair of Behringer TRUTH B2031 Active 2-Way Reference Studio Monitors. I got a very good deal ($275) on them from my old bandmate who recently upgraded (he has a full pro studio, while I'm just starting out setting up my home studio).

    Here's the thing: I'd like to know if anyone here has any tips on setting up these monitors for a balanced sound. I was so blinded by my desire to get a set of studio monitors for an affordable price that I forgot that these ones over-accentuated the high-mids. My friend used them to record and mix our old band's record and at the time I was certain that the monitors were too bright and over-accentuated things like lead female vocals (uh...i.e. my vocals). I'd actually go so far as to say that him using them resulted in an album where the vocals were way too low in the mix and there was an overall "muddy" quality. Basically, now that I'm recording stuff on my own, I don't want make the same mistakes he did. (I have since read stuff online that mentions the tendency of these monitors to over-accentuated the high-mids.)

    In short: Does anyone here have experience using these monitors? And if so, do you have any advice on attenuating them so they will have a more balanced sound (i.e. reducing the high mids). I tried them out the other day with a couple of records I'm very familiar with and... my god are they bright!

    Much thanks in advance
  2. Scoobie

    Scoobie Active Member

    Sep 6, 2006
    Frist, I will start with you should have post this in the budget gear...........Berhringer

    You said, "I don't what to make the same mistakes he did"........So why did you buy them! JMHO

  3. pollysix

    pollysix Guest

    Yes, I know, Berhringer isn't exactly associated with top-notch gear, but the monitors I have are the original model of the "Truth" series which were around $1200 and made very well. They have since discontinued that model and begun making cheap versions of them---in part because it's more in keeping with what people expect from Berhringer. But apart from the fact that I got a great deal on them, mine aren't budget gear.

    1) I forgot about that aspect of them, and 2) didn't have a lot of money to spend and figured that getting a $1200 pair of monitors for $275 was a pretty damn good deal.
  4. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Moderator

    Feb 23, 2005
    You make it sound as if there's some sort of "magic bullet" to fix your dilema. As if placement a certain way, or making an EQ adjustment will correct this situation. No ma'am. Loudspeakers are "electro-mechanical transducers" and they are what they are. Crappy design and junk components yield poor sound. Those Truths quickly became known as "liars" right out of the gate, and they were being dumped on the market CHEAP, just like all of Uli Behringer's gear is. Whoever told you that they were $1200 and decent when they first came out is a liar who figured out how to get rid of those boat anchors. There are manufacturers who specialize in loudspeaker design and can provide a MUCH better product than what you have now. These include (on the budget side, $600) Event, KRK, Yamaha, NHT. Then there's JBL, Dynaudio, Genelec and more for a bit more$$$. A tip ? Dump them. Seriously.
  5. pollysix

    pollysix Guest

    Moonbaby, thanks for the advice.

    I do think my friend paid $1200 (Canadian) originally for them. He was honest with me and said that he wouldn't have really been able to get rid of them--because B has since made a dif cheaper and cheaper made version.

    The reality for me was that before I got these all I had was crappy computer speakers and (for the time being) I only had about $300 to spend. My friend is a pretty fussy gearhead so I figured they couldn't be that bad.

    So they are known to be flat-out crap? (apart from the fact that B is known to be crap).

    Guess I'm stuck with them for now.... until I have some more money to spend.

    Blah. So much for "truth".
  6. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Moderator

    Feb 23, 2005
    Hi, Polly:
    I hope that I didn't come off too butthead to a new poster. To answer your question about the Truths, I had an associate who took on 2 product lines-Hafler and Behringer- at about the same time. He was planning to sell these out of his studio, to expand the income potential. Well, he got a
    rude awakening when we A/B'd the Truths with this dinky little pair of Haflers that they were marketing at that time, along with a small half-rack power amp for them. The $250.00 pair of Haf's absolutely kicked the Truths to the curb! We were very surprised that the Hafs did that well, and even more surprised that the Truths sounded so bad- very harsh and shrill.
    Anyway, since you have divulged that you are in Canada, I have to retract that crack about Behringer always being cheap gear. Indeed, they have always been that, but to your friend's credit, Behringer was , for some time, distributed in Canada by a company who gouged the pricing structure terribly. Early on, Behringer was marketed as a higher-priced devil. Us yanks are a bit spoiled by the "free market"...
    As to acclimating your monitors to your ears, all you can really do is take the mixes that you've created on the Truths, and by listening to them on a different system(s), learn where they mislead you. Then you can learn how to compensate for the weaknesses. That's certainly not the best way, but it's all you can do for now. Until you can fill'em with cement and throw them in the ocean! Good luck and don't give up!
  7. awdiokid

    awdiokid Guest

    I have had Truths for a couple years now, and originally got them because I too was on a tight budget. Recently, though, I have been looking at upgrading, and decided to try to listen to some higher-end stuff. The college I attend recently bought several pairs of Dynaudio BM6a's, and a pair of Event Precision 8's, and when I heard these pairs, I was blown away. The imaging and clarity and accuracy of the higher-end stuff is amazing. So if you can at all afford them, try to get some higher-end stuff (the dyns especially are amazing), but if you just can't right now, at least maybe try to EQ the Behrs a little, and put them in a good acoustic environment... anything to maximize their productivity. And, like the above post says, try to listen to your mixes on lots of other systems you know well. It might take a while, but you can learn exactly how to compensate for what the Behrs give you. I'm definitely getting some new monitors now, though.
  8. pollysix

    pollysix Guest

    Thanks moonbaby and awdiokid,

    Yeah, they really are my first pair of monitors. And like I said, my friend is a pretty pro producer and has produced some good records on these Truths. It's just funny for me to find all of this out about the Truths because even though I'm not expert on monitors, my ears have always told me that they sounded kind of strange: no bass, barely any low-mids, bumped high-mids, and highs like feel like someone jabbing pins into your ears. (!) At the time I chalked it up to the fact that I wasn't used to the (supposedly) flat sound of studio monitors.

    For now I've settled on fiddling with the low and high frequency compensation switches in the back (not a good thing to have to EQ your monitors, I know) and focusing on learning about setting up my room in the best way possible.

    (As an aside, I'm usually pretty obsessive about researching gear before I buy it, but in this case I was buying from a very good friend who is also the most gear-obsessed person I have ever met. And I think you might agree that sometimes it's easy to get blinded by the desire to get new gear asap at any cost. heh)

    Thanks for your advice.
  9. MilesAway

    MilesAway Guest

    I've been using a pair for close to 3 years now. They're obviously not high-end monitors, but that shouldn't stop you from getting good mixes from them. Like ALL monitors, it's just a matter of knowing thier strengths and weaknesses. Listen to as much music as you can from them - not only music you're recording - at 'mixing' volume. You'll pick up on whether or not they're coming out shrill/harsh/muddy/boomy/etc..., much of which will also be a factor of your ROOM.

    As with ANY other monitoring system, double-check your mixes in different rooms/systems/headphones/etc... then again in a day or two with fresh ears. They may be Behringer but they're more than capable of top-notch (home-studio) results given a capable engineer and a little-patience.
  10. Ballz

    Ballz Guest

    I totally agree with MilesAway. It's all relative, compare, compensate, and use what you have. It's easy to be discouraged by "pros" who make you feel incabable behind your inferior gear.

    The B2031 monitors are a great buy at $275 for a pair. Though I worked in a music store in Canada for 5 years, and the B2031s were never $1200. They came out at about $595/pair. The B2031A monitors were modified - they moved the power switch from the bottom to the top on the back of the built in amplifiers. The speaker cones looked to be a different material as well, but Behringer claimed the power swith relocation was the only difference.

  11. elcubo

    elcubo Active Member

    Jan 5, 2007
    My very first monitors were Yammis NS10...they are awfull but when you know their flaws can work on it...then i buyed the sp5 (before Kurt recommend) and let me tell u something, this little things has some brightness...ans some lack of bass but they are reasonable solid...so you can learn from them...somewhere in the midle...i tried to work with the Truths...and believe me...they are hard...not easy...the learning curve is very long...so i kept my SP5...with some succes...now i upgraded to Dynaudio BM 15A...and they are something...they are very friendly...easy to get...of course, there is involved other stuff like acoustics and the engineer himself...but the monitors are a very important part of the chain...sorry if you have that things...get rid of them!!!! :twisted:

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