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Two SM57's on one amp?

Discussion in 'Recording' started by cluster, Jun 6, 2007.

  1. cluster

    cluster Guest

    Hey, I'm new to these forums.

    I'm also new to recording. I've got a pretty basic set up. A Marshall AVT 50 amp, a Yamaha UW500 interface, an SM57 and a Pod XT.

    My friend is ditching his pursuit of recording rock music as he's moving onto electronica, trip-hop sorta stuff. He's offered to sell me his SM57 for a pretty cheap price (£35, with a stand thrown in.) It's in perfect condition, full working order 'n' all that good stuff. But will it make any difference to my recordings to have two mics on the amp at once?
    Will it thicken it up for example?

    Money's not an object, considering how cheap it is. I can easily afford it, but I'm not going to buy it if it won't make a positive difference on my recordings.

    Are there any other factors I should consider in the purchase?

    Thanks,
    Gareth.
     
  2. Link555

    Link555 Well-Known Member

    buy it. you can never have enough mics, and a 57 is always usefull.
     
  3. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Will a 2nd 57 render a "positive difference"? With the rig you have listed, probably not. Simply placing an extra mic on a single source can be a real nightmare UNLESS you understand and can control "mic phase". You need to aquire a simple "phase reversal" adapter (or fabricate a similar cable) made by Shure, Whirlwind, and others if your mic pre does not have this switchable capability. If you don't have this capability, the sound can be a LOT worse than a single mic. Once you can do this, you can have a blast, mic'ing the front and the rear of the speaker cab ( or the top and bottom of a snare drum, etc). Just be warned no to expect miracles by simpl slapping an extra mic at the source...
     
  4. rockstardave

    rockstardave Active Member

    sm57s are great microphones. if you have a good deal on one, pick it up i guess.

    like the other guys said, a 2nd mic can be way more trouble. if you want to "thicken" a sound, then do that with your software. double tracks and such.
     
  5. Halifaxsoundguy

    Halifaxsoundguy Active Member

    if its cheap and in good condition, buy it. When you get more serious into recording, you won't kick yourself in the future for passing up a good deal.
     
  6. nicko

    nicko Active Member

    or he could flip it in his DAW?
     
  7. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Tracking guitars with multiple mics requires that you know what you are doing and how to correct any issues preferably before the signal ever hits the hard drive. A simple rewiring of a mic cable will do the trick.
    There was a specific question asked here, I addressed THAT. What amounts to a so-so "bargain" may be great for one person, totally useless to another. I have recorded probably over 100 different guitarists over too many years. If you can't capture the sound from the amp using a single 57, something else is wrong. Another 57 isn't likely to render much of a "positive difference" if that's all the poster will be using it for. Frankly, you'd be better off spending that money on acoustic treatment of the room he/she is recording the amp in, if not already done.
     
  8. cluster

    cluster Guest

    I'm only 16, and record in my bedroom, and getting the accoustics treated isn't on the cards, unfortunately.

    I think I'm going to go with what many of you have suggested and buy it anyway. For that sort of price, I probably would be a bit of a fool to pass by such an offer.
     
  9. multoc

    multoc Active Member

    It never hurts having two SM57's on an amp summed together. Infact it tends to sound a bit fuller just take care in phase problems. Get some thick foam and stick it between the two microphones (granted you have two speakers you're mic'ing rather than just one).......the other option is just recording straight from your POD XT those things have a KILLER D/I they've fooled me afew times on the question of: is it an amp or D/I (on a full mix mind you).
     
  10. jonnyc

    jonnyc Member

     
  11. johnthemiracle

    johnthemiracle Active Member

    the sound will change if you use a second sm57. just BECAUSE of phase issues. no sm57 is the same than another one. and the placement will be different. so it might sound fuller.

    however it will sound even better when you use two sm57 and mic two different speakers (provided your amp has more than one). and it will even make a greater difference if you use a different amp. and the fatness and liveliness of the sound will be enhanced if you use a different mic instead of a second 57, like some condenser mic on your second speaker. there's a lot of choices...

    ah, btw: make sure you pan those mics apart, if you don't all you might get is some kind of comb filter effect that might sound good or not (less likely to sound good the more parameters are the same)...
     
  12. multoc

    multoc Active Member

     
  13. multoc

    multoc Active Member

    I hope you're not saying doubling the same track on each side that creates the opposite effect - Just ask Brian Wilson or John Lennon!
     
  14. jonnyc

    jonnyc Member

    He probably means multitrack and pan, that usually will yield a much fuller sound. But that also depends on if the song needs that style of guitars.
     
  15. multoc

    multoc Active Member

    That's true
     
  16. dscott

    dscott Guest

    sorry moon
    i gotta disagree with u on not buying the 57
    1. it's arguably the most versatile mic on the planet
    2. if u mic a guitar cab with a 57, 99 times out of ur 100 guitarists it b closed micked am i right?

    so why would he need acoustic treatment for a mic that is dynamic wich will take very little room sound at all? and what treatment "designed" 4 the job could u buy 4 £38?
    Not alot

    I'd buy the 57 mate u wont regret it :D
     

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