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Unwanted wierdness on vocal

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by spottydog, Nov 5, 2008.

  1. spottydog

    spottydog Guest

    Hi and hello to everyone, nice to be here.
    I keep getting a strange high end sound whilst recording vocals.
    The mics are an SE11A and an SE Z5600A11 going straight into a Mackie
    Onyx 1620. Level is at 0db and no effects in the chain and about 8-10 inches off the mics.
    Anyone recognize what I'm doing wrong?


  2. BRH

    BRH Active Member

    Are you recording using both mics? If so just use the larger one by itself and get closer.
  3. spottydog

    spottydog Guest

    HI BRH
    They are 2 seperate sound clips recorded individually. my recording engineer mate told me to
    be about 8 - 12 inches away. Can you explain the
    rationale behind the closer technique
  4. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    That high-end sound is your hearing. What you are hearing is because you have upped your headphones too loud and hearing the actual resonance in the bathroom that you're singing in.

    The concept on seeing on two different microphones is so that your engineer can get a quality sound from someone that doesn't understand how to work a microphone. So he is working electronically for you.

    Large diaphragms versus small diaphragms largely has to do with the tonality of your voice, whether you are on or off axis to the capsule, how much money you got, how many different microphones you got, how your engineer likes to engineer. I generally don't bother. It really depends on whom I'm working with.

    Don't sweat the sound. That's for your engineer.
    His Remy Ann David
  5. spottydog

    spottydog Guest

    Thanks RR,
    An intresting reply but doesnt really address my question.
    Anyone else:)
  6. Greener

    Greener Guest

    Do you means the S sound in your voice?

    Use a pop filter to cut the sibilant sounds.

    Also, try not to sing straight at the mic, slightly off axis helps.
  7. GeckoMusic

    GeckoMusic Guest

    Are you talking about the resonance around 4k? It sounds sort of like nasal sinus resonance to me. Try a different room to make sure. The 2nd clip sounded better except for the room noise. You might want to do some more treatment. Was that with an LDC about 12" away?
  8. BrianaW

    BrianaW Active Member

    I agree. Sounds like a desser could help? It's still not bad, I could work with that... definitely. I've heard much worse, believe me.

    Edit: At the risk of sounding like a complete moron... what the heck are those mics anyway?
  9. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Both mics are from sE Electronics. I don't know about the second one but the first one is a large diaphragm tube mic.

    Getting closer to the mic is all about proximity effect. Bass frequencies don't travel as far and as easily as higher frequencies. So the closer you are to the mic, the more bottom end you will get. Generally standing 6-12" from the mic is fine but you're voice isn't particularly bottom heavy. Bringing your voice closer to the mic would help give it some body.
  10. Greener

    Greener Guest

    "Bass frequencies don't travel as far and as easily as higher frequencies."

    Wrong! :p
  11. Hilary

    Hilary Guest

    Come over my house when the bassheads are hanging out in the neighborhood and see how low frequencies travel.
  12. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    There is a reason why bass amps are rated at upwards of 300 watts. Bass is harder to stop but it also requires a considerable amount more energy to create.
  13. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    HF is the same - only it requires hardly anything to stop.
  14. Hilary

    Hilary Guest

    This is going to be really lame because I can't pull up your tracks but it you're hearing a "zoing" as you pass through certain notes, your room is picking up a resonance.

    You don't want to pad every wall but two bare walls facing each other, at normal room dimensions, will zoing somewhere in the frequency spectrum.

    Go to the thrift store, get a fat fluffy quilt blanket for $7.00, and experiment with covering this wall area or that one until you find the culprit. Space the blanket two or four inches from the wall; it'll work better that way.

  15. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    "Go to the thrift store, get a fat fluffy quilt blanket for $7.00,"

    >fat fluffy quilt blanket
  16. Hilary

    Hilary Guest

    I was going to say we have a lot of heavy blankets on our beds here in the cold latitudes but you're in a pretty cold place yourself.

    An artifact of the pre-crash consumer frenzy in the US is that now the contributed-inventory charity thrift stores are piled to the ceilings with barely-used items, mostly of cloth. You can pad a room with tasteful bedcoverings for the price of a week's lunches.

    I hate cold weather but the alternative is to live in the South.
  17. Greener

    Greener Guest

    "fat fluffy quilt blanket "

    Could be a doonah or duvet.
    I'm not commenting on if it will work or not, just what a fluffy quilt is in American English converted to Actual English.
  18. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Except that duvet is French.
  19. Greener

    Greener Guest

    At least it's Actual French.

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