We have a non pro 12 piece Funky R&B band that plays out a few times/month. We're looking for a larger mixer then our current Mackie CFX20. I found some used Mackie SR 24/4 VLZ Pro's on ebay selling for about $500. I also noticed the Carvin C2444 on sale for $800 this month. The Carvin has built in effects processers (2) that are probably not the greatest but our requirements are simple - small amount of reverb. It also has 2 EQ - again not the greatest but our needs are simple. The Carvin board is also smaller which my 53 year old back would love. http://www.carvin.com/products/mixer.php?ItemNumber=C2444 At the moment we're using the Mackie SR450 powered speakers but we might move up to larger speakers and external power amps. Any of you pro guys have an opinion on which way to go here. Please try to check out the Carvin board at the link above. It's seems like the right board for this project as we won't have to lug around external eq and effects. Mackies are famous for sounding great and it's half the price. With my old ears I wonder if I could tell the difference in the sound anyway. Help Mr. Wizard!!!!