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used Shure sm58.....?

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by dira18, Jul 4, 2005.

  1. dira18

    dira18 Guest

    Hi everyone, I'm happy to have found this site and these forums. Hope I'll be able to help out some too.

    I do sound editing with a ProTools M-Box and the DV toolkit on a G4, (don't laugh, its a great low cost setup, and so far I haven't taxed it... Mostly short documentaries and such, did one feature length movie, but with a verrrrry simple mix- time and money :roll: . So for the most part, the material that I work with comes in digital format, OMF or WAV, so I am not doing a lot of recording. I am in the process of expanding, (well, really getting the basic equipment that I should have), and am looking now at microphones. I recently bought a nice used Mackie mixer (1642 vlz pro) to add to my setup, and want to add a mic to the mix. I don't really have a budget for anything fancy, and probably don't need more than one mic anyways, at least for now. I am thinking that I want it for simple vocals (voiceovers and the like), if I need to do any foleys/fx I can always borrow a shotgun for a session. I think that the Shure SM58 is a good all around, relativly inexpensive solution for me. I've worked with them a lot and know their capabilities. And have done a lot of different types of recordings with them.

    So my question is, is it worth it to get a used mic? Or should I take the plunge and invest in a new one? I realize that a new one is around $100, which on a relative scale is not much, but if i can get one that hasn't been used much for half the price, that is another $50 that I can put towards other things that I need as well. I know that the SM58s seem to work forever, I do some work at a theater here and we have a few that have to be at least 20 years old if not more, and even though their pickup is nowhere near the same as new ones, I am still surprised at how well they work, of course all the equipment there is about 20-25 years old and I am always surprised that it works.... oh, I mean at how well it works. :)

    I have been cruising ebay, and see some mics that look to be relatively little used, but I am cautious about this purchase, more so than buying my mixer. Also, if I do look for a used one, any suggestions as to what to ask beyond the basics- how old, how much use, etc.?

    I guess the other part of this question, is if anyone has any better ideas for me- other mics models or types to consider. If I really need a fancy condenser or shotgun to record, then I can always borrow one or worst case scenario rent some time in another studio to record my tracks. I feel like I need at least one mic in my stable, and want something that can cover a lot of different ground.

    Other things to consider: I live in Israel, where audio equipment is appx. twice the cost., (one online place here advertised the sm57 on sale, for, hehe... 700 shekels, which is about $150-160) Ordering online and having it shipped here is also not worth it, there are ridiculous import taxes on audio equipment, easily 100% of the value of the item (thats why the prices are so high). I do order online and have things that would be a customs mess sent to my parents in the states, that I will pick up in August when I visit.

    I appreciate any tips/ advice.

    Tony

    p.s. Phew!! Sorry, I didn't mean to write so much.....
     
  2. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Dira18:
    I believe that the 58 is hard to beat in the context that you described. You could maybe pick up a Studio Projects B1 for a good price in Israel, I don't know. But the Shure is a better bet for the
    following reasons:
    1) Designed for live vocal use. It has a tighter pick-up pattern originally to control feedback. This works in your favor in a less-than-favorable-sounding recording environment. It removes a lot of "the room", and gives you a cleaner, "drier" sound when you track. A mic like the SP B1 is more likely to "add room" to the sound, which in many scenarios is not a good thing.
    2) The output is pretty good for a dynamic mic, but it will work with
    less than ideal mixers. It doesn't require phantom power and it is less likely to overload the preamp input compared to a condenser.
    3) Drop it....see which one holds up! You probably know which one will hold up to the rigors of studio life already.
    4) If Roger Daltrey, Robert Plant, and Bono look cool with one swinging over their heads, so will you!!
    5) Buying one used is not hard. Unless the spherical pop windscreen on it is REALLY bashed up, it probably will sound and work fine. And even THEN, it may sound OK. GOOD LUCK!!
     
  3. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    my sujestion is to buy a new screen or have the old one fumigated. no matter what the condition it is in. you never know what the person before you had.
     
  4. Big_D

    Big_D Well-Known Member

    Truer words have never been spoken.
     
  5. inLoco

    inLoco Active Member

    i'd never buy a used vocal mic!!!
    don't remember who posted but there was a study on some LA club mics... the rest... i wont' tell...
     
  6. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    im sure you will find the post if you just type "herpies" in the search field
     
  7. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    So buy a new one! For the budget he stated,he can do that. He can have his folks buy a 58 for a mere $100.00 and get it to him.
    No "customs mess". And I have been able to buy used 58s from other sources than some scummy night club. Churches have been a good source for used gear like that. Many of them are always updating their audio gear to keep up with the latest trends...
     
  8. maintiger

    maintiger Well-Known Member

    57's and 58's get pretty beat up and the soound does degrade. Get a new one.
     
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