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Using an Apogee Rosetta AD with a Digi 002

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by Johnjm22, Aug 27, 2004.

  1. Johnjm22

    Johnjm22 Guest

    Okay I have a chance to get a 2 channel Apogee Rosetta AD with the 24/96 upgrade for cheap! I'm currently running PT LE with a 002.

    If I use this unit, I will of course have to do my sessions in 24/48 because I will use the rosetta's adat output. Is it worth it to go from 24/96 down to 24/48 just to use an Apogee?

    How much better are the converters, and clock on the Apogee then the 002?
     
  2. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    I'm sure you'll get a lot of different answers on this, but I'm thinking you're going to like it. A lot.

    YMMV
     
  3. Johnjm22

    Johnjm22 Guest

    Thanks for the reply John. What's your opinion on this? Can you go into detail?

    YMMV?
     
  4. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary...

    I've just been not-so-thrilled with Digi's converters. Not bad, just not... Well... The high end gets a little... Strange? Smeared?

    Worked with them once or twice - never worked with them again.

    Anyway, I've always been a fan of Apogee's converters. I already have a Rosetta 200 paid for (although it hasn't been released yet).

    They might not be the "best" converter for this or the best converter for that, but they certainly are a great converter for just about everything IMO (IMO = In My Opinion).

    That being said, there are plenty of folks out there that aren't thrilled with Apogee OR the older Rosetta stuff. However, there's a reason why they're far-and-away the most popular "pro" converters out there.
     
  5. Johnjm22

    Johnjm22 Guest

    But it would be a definite upgrade over the 002's converters even if I have to go down to 48K right?

    And what about the rosetta's clock? Is that an upgrade over the 002's clock?
     
  6. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the Rosetta will be a deffinate upgrade over the DIGI converters.
    On the ADAT thing..... I could be wrong, but I think when you use the optical input as 2 channel it can be used 96khz.
    If not, just use the coax SPdif.
     
  7. Johnjm22

    Johnjm22 Guest

    Do you mean two channels over one ADAT cable?

    I know you can use 96k with an ADAT it's called S/Mux but I thought it took two seperate ADAT cables to do it.

    Can SPdif be used for 96K?
     
  8. Ammitsboel

    Ammitsboel Member

    Hi there,

    I don't think the quality difference lies in whether you use 44.1k or 96k. I think there is a much greater difference in AD/DA converters.

    I also belive that some projects would benefit from using 44.1K through the whole project instead of converting to 44.1 before or after mastering. that's my opinion.
    But then again converting is a whole other story...

    But i think that you would get a BIG improovement by upgrating from any digi converter to any apogee converter!

    Best Regards
     
  9. Jim Chapdelaine

    Jim Chapdelaine Active Member

    The difference will be large!
    Digi converters are not exactly hi fidelity. The new Apogee stuff is
    fantastic. Better clocking and a better analog front end result
    in tighter lows and more air in the highs.
    This is a no brainer.
    best,
    chap
     
  10. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Heya Jim! Gary from Apogee here!

    Indeed, you will notice a great improvment on your stereo imaging and overall sound quality.

    Basically any converter should not sound different at any sampling rate...that's the basic rule to converters. Many hit records are still being recorded at 44.1 and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in the long run.

    The AD stage is the most crucial part of recording and then comes the DA. The DA stage is where you hear what is truly being sent in...if your DA is average then your recordings/mixes won't sound as they should.

    There have been several people who add a good AD and then finally get a better DA and have been amazed at what they hear!

    Also Digidesign doesn not and most likely will never implement S/MUX.

    Opus
     
  11. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    Hey Gary, when is my Rosetta 200 coming in? :cool:

    It's already P.I.F. so I'll get one of the first... :p

    I've got a feeling you guys will be putting in double-time trying to keep up with the demand on this one...
     
  12. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Heya

    They are threatening to get it out within the next few weeks as far as I know... I could be wrong as well....

    Yes, that box is going to be very popular...which sucks since I will be doing all the phone support for it! :p

    Opus
     
  13. Jim Chapdelaine

    Jim Chapdelaine Active Member

    Hey Gary!
    My snakes arrive today so my 16 X series will be rigged into a Dabgerous 2-Bus. I'll keep my AD8000SE's and use them as effects sends (the Trak2
    gets used every day). So I'll end up with 32 channel's of in and out A
    @44.1./24 and 24 channels @ higher sampling rates. As you probably know, when we beta tested the AD 16X, we spent a day and a half TRYING to make it sound better at higher sampling rates. We're happy to report that it sounds better than any converter I've tried at ANY sampling rates. So much for preconceptions.
    Best,
    Jim Chap.............
     
  14. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    Well Gary, I sincerely hope I DON'T have to talk to you on the phone then. :?
     
  15. sdelsolray

    sdelsolray Active Member

    You should be able to use the Rosetta with the 002 at 96k. The 002 will take two channels of 96k via SPDIF. Don't remeber how the Rosetta is configured, but if it has SPDIF out, you're there. If it has AES/BU output, then you'll need a simple and cheap converter box to change the digital signal from AES/BU to SPDIF.
     
  16. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Well, I'll be nice to you....I promise! :lol:

    Opus
     
  17. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    No, no... What I meant is that I'm sure that the unit will...

    (A) Function properly
    (B) Have wonderful printed & digital support documentation
    (C) Kick ass

    So, I won't have a reason to call you. :D
     
  18. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Nah, you love me and want to hear my voice don't you! Hee hee

    Opus
     
  19. Jim Chapdelaine

    Jim Chapdelaine Active Member

    Thanks a ton Gary! The X series sounds amazing!
    chap
     

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