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Using (recorded) acoustic drums to trigger Dm5

Discussion in 'Drums' started by eddies880, Jul 7, 2005.

  1. eddies880

    eddies880 Guest

    Im looking for any user out there that record the acoustic drum tracks,then use the sound from the recorded tracks to trigger the DM5--------------------------anybody?
    Does it work?-----how good?-----------give me all the good and bad------------------------I need info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    Does it work?
    Yes.

    How good?
    Very Good, ahem, well.

    Give me all the good and bad.
    Good:
    -If your tracks are separated well, then triggering is very easy.
    -The trigger can be used to play sounds out of the DM5 or create midi notes which can be used to trigger sounds from other devices like Battery or some other drum machine or synth.
    -You can get almost any sound you want these days.

    Bad:
    -You must set up the triggers sensitivity correctly so that you are able to capture the softest and loudest drum hits. This can sometimes cause problems with ghost hits. But after doing this a time or two, it's pretty easy.
    -It's a lazy way to get good drum sounds. One should learn how to properly mic a kit and get different sounds first. Then once they've passed that test move on to triggering.

    I need Info!...
    Search this forum. There have been at least two separate discussions on this in the past couple months.
     
  3. eddies880

    eddies880 Guest

    You hit the nail right on the head,I "plan" on getting the drums miced correctly,and as seperated as possible.
    I visited a studio recently,and was told that over hangs play a criticle roll when using this method----why?------I dont know-----but I have a strange feeling that Im gonna find out----------I hate micing,mixing,eqing,drums----------------if the technology is out there,then by george,Im gonna use it if it makes my job easier----thanks for the reply :wink:
     
  4. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    Overheads. That is a big point. Overhead are usually used for cymbals and possibly some ambience. When you are triggering your drums the cymbals must also be triggered. Doing that from recorded tracks is tough because the snare or loud toms can cause a overhead mic to set off a trigger. You could try to mix in the overheads with the triggered kit but it generally doesn't work well. I just re-record new cymbals either live with me actually playing/recording real cymbals or using midi and triggering them.

    [quote="eddies880]I hate micing,mixing,eqing,drums[/quote]

    I hate to say it cuz you seem like a nice enough guy...but...

    If you hate micing, mixing and eqing drums, what the heck are you doing in this business? That's the whole fun of it. If you're a producer, musician or otherwise not involved in the engineering aspect, then I apologize.

    You can do it all with triggers. It is easier and you can get some damn good sounds...but just know that thousands of other people are doing the same thing. They all are using DFH or Battery or something else for their sounds and since they are basically finished people dont really alter them that much. This means that thousands of people have the same drum sounds. It gets a bit stale after a while.
     
  5. eddies880

    eddies880 Guest

    I hate to say it cuz you seem like a nice enough guy...but...

    If you hate micing, mixing and eqing drums, what the heck are you doing in this business? That's the whole fun of it. If you're a producer, musician or otherwise not involved in the engineering aspect, then I apologize.

    You can do it all with triggers. It is easier and you can get some damn good sounds...but just know that thousands of other people are doing the same thing. They all are using DFH or Battery or something else for their sounds and since they are basically finished people dont really alter them that much. This means that thousands of people have the same drum sounds. It gets a bit stale after a while.[/quote]Over head mics---******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************--I plan on using them for room ambience and cymbols.
    No apology needed----I am a musician....have been for playing live for about 25 yrs......dont have anything to show for it,this is why I love to record.
    Mic,eqing..........My drummer doesnt understand the importance of new heads,nor does he understand the importance of using a class A preamp,but fret not----Im working on him------he found out what it cost to have his drum tracks recorded at the studio,so needless to say,his mind is starting to go in the right direction.
    What is DHF?
    I want to be able to use triggers later--------what triggers should I be looking at?
    THanks---------Eddie
     
  6. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    DFH is Drumkit From Hell. There are a few versions...2, superior, maybe something else. Basically it's a plugin with drum sounds. I've heard some good stuff about it but I mostly use battery.

    As for triggers, you can just use mics and audio as the triggers. You'll need a set of XLR to 1/4" cables but that works pretty well. If you want to get into more conventional triggers look at Ddrum and Pintech. Simple Piezo type triggers work well too and they are cheap.
     
  7. eddies880

    eddies880 Guest

    Yeah,Ive seen those Piezo trigs going for a small price,but are they"cheap?"----as to say---they work 75% of the time?
    I would much rather invest in good quality trigs than,have to purchase what I should of bought the 1st time---------------but then again----------Im not a drummer.
    From what I understand from youre replies,the DM5,is able to except signals via-----midi-----trigs-----and -----audio quite well,so with that said,the lower end trigs will do the job just fine?------or should I worry about double hits from "cheaper" triggers?
     
  8. Digger

    Digger Guest

    I have used it for Kik and Snare with great success - in the past. It can get a little tricky with mic bleeds and mistriggers but that usually takes a little bit of fiddling before getting it right. I usually prefer getting a better acoustic sound first.

    For most of the music I record now I really ever use it on KIK - which as a sound in modern music is so processed now it doesen't really make a difference whether you are using acoustic sound or not.
     

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