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V2 Route 66 pedal direct

Discussion in 'Recording' started by jg49, Oct 14, 2009.

  1. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    I am doing some drum tracks Sat. and because I have no isolation rooms I am tracking bass and guitar direct. The guitarist is using amongst others Rte 66 overdrive/compression pedal. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Route66
    So in preparation for the session the guitarist came in to set up a sound for the tracking session.
    When the overdrive was engaged the sound/tone was awful IMO which I realize could be his settings but I was wondering if this was just because we were direct? Does the amp load have to be there to get a good sound from pedals like this and is there something simple I could do to improve it direct? He is using a vintage Fender amp so no direct out on his amp.
     
  2. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    I have a Route 66 (the original with 'regular' footswitches, not the big round ones). Never have run it direct, what did you use to "load it"- a DI box? The reason that I ask this is because Visual Sound pedals are designed with an output buffer to "see" an amp's input as its' load. Also, was the distortion or the compression the issue? There are several mitigating variables here...
     
  3. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    You know I wasn't really watching exactly, I had him in and was mostly trying to get a sim amp for the session reverb, tone and let him fool around with the settings himself, I was answering the phone for part of this and recorded the whole thing. All other parts of the recording sound great. I played it back and the tone of the overdrive (but I'm thinking compression & overdrive) just sounded like sh&% to me. Yes he was DI into the Presonus instrument level preamp channel, he is also (active) Radial DI'd before the pedals for recording, potentially re-amping. I had started out with him Radial DI after the pedals but was not liking the sound enough so I figured I'd DI the guitar alone and then send it on to the pedals. Feed the pedal board to the Presonus in another channel for the monitor/headphone mix so he has his "sound". I attended, very briefly, a practice the band was having and I do remember him doing the song in question and not noticing that I was offended by that pedal's use. That is why I was thinking the amp load might be the issue.
     
  4. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I think that may be the case. He may be able to simply re-adjust the tone of the OD section on the 66. It's probably too "gritty" or "fizzy", rolling down the Tone control may help reducing that top end trash. It would really be best to let him run through the amp, that acts like a giant "filter"...
     
  5. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, good ideas, when we record his parts definitely going for the miced amp so it shouldn't matter, but you identified exactly the sound, way, way too fizzy.
     

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