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Views on my wish list for small budget home studio

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Kunalgiri, Feb 14, 2006.

  1. Kunalgiri

    Kunalgiri Active Member

    Hi all

    I would like to share my wish list for my amature small budget home studio. I just wanted to know what are your views and reviews or comments on these gears.

    PC-3.4Ghz, 2 GB Ram, 80GB (HD) at present.

    M Audio Delta 1010 Lt
    Behringer Eurorack UB2442FXPRO
    Behringer Ultrafex Pro EX3200
    Behringer Composer Pro XL MDX2600
    Behringer Virtualizer Pro DSP2024P
    Rode NT1A Studio Condenser Microphone
    CAD 4 Piece Drum Mic Tour Pack
    Behringer C-2 Studio Condenser Microphones
    Behringer PX1000 Ultrapatch 48 point Balanced Patchbay
    Aurcoustic treatment.

    Any views????????
    Kunal
     
  2. Well for an amateur home studio, it looks fine. I don't know your background with recording, but this is what I will say regardless:

    Be wary of Behringer gear, they're pretty much hit-or-miss.
    The computer looks fine, but if you're using if for audio- use it only for audio. That way you can't get any viruses, and you won't have extra programs taking up CPU resources and slowing things down or crashing.

    As per the acoustic treatment- as long as you know what you're doing and why, then great- but if you're just buying it with no experience just to say "i have acoustic treatment in my room" then you'd be better of just not spending the money on it, and use the cash to replace one or two of the Behringer gear with something nicer.

    Just my opinion.
     
  3. Kunalgiri

    Kunalgiri Active Member

    Thanks for your advice, I really appreciate it.

    About the PC...yes I am going to use it only for Audio so hopefully I should be able to get the maxium out of the CPU. I have never used any Behienger product so dont know how it is rated in a professional setup, It would really be kind of you if you could advice me as to which Behienger gear should I replace with which one.

    About the Aurcoustic treatment.......I need to do more of research and read more about it. For now I have not decided what to get for the Aurcoustic treatment.

    Thanks again for all your inputs :wink:
     
  4. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    Not a bad list...Since you are going to be recording on to a computer, You may be better served replacing some of the outboard gear with plugins.

    Personally, I'd stay away from Behringer's signal processing equipment if I could. Here are some replacements you might want to consider

    Behringer Eurorack UB2442FXPRO
    Any Mackie Mixer..if you can swing it, get one with the Onyx preamps

    Behringer Ultrafex Pro EX3200
    BBE Sonic Maximizer - or VST plugin

    Behringer Composer Pro XL MDX2600
    DBX 266XL
    ART pro VLA
    or VST plugin

    Behringer Virtualizer Pro DSP2024P
    Lexicon MX200
    or VST plugin

    I didn't list any specific VST plugins because there are so many. Actually there are many hardware options as well. I just listed ones that I could think of that I believe are a step up from Behringer and are still relatively cheap.

    I do use a Behringer headphone amp which works well for me. I doubt you'll have any problems with their patch bay although with what you are setting up, I don't really see a need for a patch bay.

    You should probably try to get better mics if you can afford it. There really isn't anything I can think of that is good quality in that price range. but for a few dollars more you can look at CAD mics or one inexpensive brand I tend to like for some things are the Marshall/MXL mics. You can't go wrong with a Shure SM57 or two.
     
  5. Kunalgiri

    Kunalgiri Active Member

    Thanks for your valuable inputs and suggestion.........Your advice certainly makes me think again and helps me out on deciding the right gears. Well at last it all depends on how much $ one is able to spend, it seems I need to strech up more $ to get the right stuffs :wink:
     
  6. MilesAway

    MilesAway Guest

    well - i see no mention of what software you plan on using, but regardless of what you buy (Cubase? Protools? Nuendo? Audition? etc...) i can pretty much guarentee the FX and processing that come built-in will be on-par or better-than the Behringer units you're looking at.

    I also see no mention of studio monitors. A half-way decent pair of nearfields is a MUST-HAVE, before ANY of the other gear you've listed.

    PC-3.4Ghz, 2 GB Ram, 80GB (HD) at present. - Rockin'

    M Audio Delta 1010 Lt - will do the job but the break-out box is nice and will save you a bundle on 1/4" --> RCA adapters. Try used...

    Behringer Eurorack UB2442FXPRO - ughn. As the not-so-proud owner of a Behringer mixer, all i can say avoid-if-possible. The preamps are just plain bad. No body & very thin sounding. As a monitoring board, it's usable. Used Mackie boards will make you much happier.

    Behringer Ultrafex Pro EX3200
    Behringer Composer Pro XL MDX2600
    Behringer Virtualizer Pro DSP2024P
    Behringer PX1000 Ultrapatch 48 point Balanced Patchbay


    Why Why Why Why Why? Patchbay shouldn't be needed at all and Behringer comps/FX/Processors arn't any better than what you'll get in software. Don't let the blinky lights fool you!

    Rode NT1A Studio Condenser Microphone - Solid mic. Very solid.
    CAD 4 Piece Drum Mic Tour Pack - it'll get the job done for now. Personally, i'd rent until you can afford to buy something better but if you plan on doing a LOT of drum-tracking, why-not...

    Behringer C-2 Studio Condenser Microphones - ughn. Don't waste your $$.
     
  7. Kunalgiri

    Kunalgiri Active Member

    Hi MilesAway

    Firstly I would like to thanks you for your inputs. Well Yes I have been getting quite unsatisfactory review for my Behienger list and have decided to get off with Behienger's DSP, Compressor and Exciter. I would probably go for DBX 266XL as a hardware compressor and have been looking more at VST plugins for now rather than Hardware. I am also taking away Behringer C-2 and getting pair of Shure Sm57.

    Alesis M1 active 520 (pair) is the monitor I would be going for as I have been getting fair reviews and could afford it for now. Software would be Cubase or Nuendo.

    Behringer Eurorack UB2442FXPRO is where I get stuck for now unless I get any used Mackie. I have not been getting any satisfactory reviews on 2442FxPro but my problem for now is $$$$ that restricts me to stick with UB2442FXPRO. But for later plans I think I could get a good Mackie board later on and use this one as monitoring board.

    Thanks
    Kunal
     
  8. riffster

    riffster Guest

    I think that your setup looks pretty good at this level. Personally, I wouldn't be using the Ultrafex or the Virtualizer as those functions can be easily replaced with better results from plugins, unless you're using them for live applications. I would say that a decent tracking compressor /limiter and mic pre should be next on the upgrade list. I have owned a Behringer Composer before & it worked alright up to the point it's left channel died. Like others have said "hit & miss". Maybe a good multi-pattern mic could add a nice diversity to the lot.
     
  9. Kunalgiri

    Kunalgiri Active Member

    :lol: I am glad that I have some thing good on my list now, Thanks to all you ppl.

    Could anyone suggest me some place or website where I could read about VST plugins or may be refer me some within $500 :cry: I know its too less but thats all I got for now.

    Thanks
    Kuanl
     
  10. 8th_note

    8th_note Guest

    (edit) I just noticed that you are in India so the ebay comments below aren't going to be as applicable. I know it's harder to order stuff for international delivery.

    From your list it sounds like you are looking to put together a setup that will have similar capabilities to mine. Here's my take on how to proceed. I'm going to be repeating/reinforcing several comments above.

    1) Do you have an aversion to shopping for used gear on ebay? This will get you a lot farther than buying new. It takes more work but in my experience it's definitely worth the hassle. The other interesting thing is that by shopping on ebay you will learn alot about gear. If you do a search for "Mixers" for example, you will see a range of products and you will absorb quite a bit of information just looking through them and reading the descriptions.

    2) To start out you should completely mix in the box. Don't even think about outboard signal processors at this point - use plugins for all your processing needs. Your computer will handle it easily. After you've learned how compressors, reverbs, delays, flangers, etc. work in plugin form you might want to spring for one or two outboard units but to get anything decent is fairly expensive. I've been doing this for 4 years now and I just bought my first outboard compressor this year.

    3) I have to second the advise to stay away from Behringer but I'll add another reason. This may not matter to you but when someone who knows something about gear walks into your studio and sees a rack full of Behringer stuff it just doesn't look good. It screams "Amature" and indicates that the studio owner was too lazy or too ignorant to buy better quality used gear for the same money. I know this sounds harsh but it's a credibility issue.

    4) Regarding software, I'm going to suggest that you at least look at n-Track Studio as an option. It's only $75, it comes with several decent plugins for compression, reverb, and flange. It's very easy to learn and it will do everything you need it to do. The money you save on software can be better spent on a higher quality mixer or mic pres IMO. It also has a good forum for assistance. Here's the link: n-Track Studio

    5) With the money you save on the external gear (and maybe the software) you can afford to upgrade to the Delta 1010 with the external box. That's what I have and it works great. It's worth the extra money. You can often find these used on ebay as well.

    6) As for a mixer, a Mackie, a Soundcraft, or a Yamaha will be a better choice than a Behringer. I have a Mackie 1642 VLZ and it's worked well. The one feature you should look for is 8 direct outs. This allows you to hook 8 channels of the mixer directly to 8 inputs on your Delta 1010. That makes for a slick, easy to use setup. The pres in the Mackie are not too bad. Eventually you might want to get a few channels of external pres but the Mackie can get you started. People say the Soundcraft sounds better than the Mackie but I haven't heard one so I can't say. You don't need any built in effects so don't pay extra for that feature. You'll get way better effects from plugins. Here's a link to a thread on the TapeOp board about budget mixers: Budget Mixers

    7) The mother lode of plugin information is at a site called KVR. The problem is that there's too much information and it's really not geared for the beginner. Here's the link: Kjaerhus Audio

    8 ) I've got a few low cost suggestions for mics. You can get an MXL 2001 LDC plus a 603s SDC for about a hundred bucks. These two mics are a great start. If you get a second 603s you've got a pair of overheads. For dynamics, my favorite budget mic is an Audio-Technica MB2K. I like it better than my SM57 for almost all applications. There are three of these available on ebay right now for $25 each. Normally they cost about $50. I've got 4 of these and I use them a lot. I would recommend you go this route as opposed to getting a drum mic pack. You will soon want to get a decent kick mic and these cost about $200. Save your money for that. I have an Audix D6 and I really like it.

    One more suggestion. Spend your money as you have the need to do so. Start out with the minimum setup and then as you recognize that you are lacking certain hardware or software, spend the money at that time. You'll be surprised how your gear priorities change as you get further along.
     
  11. Kunalgiri

    Kunalgiri Active Member

    Hi

    Thank your for such a wonderful and detailed advice, I really appriciate it. :)

    Yes you are correct International delivery does have some problems as there is a lot of risk for us to buy a product via Internet shopping and then paying the shipping and the customs (45% of the good value) and if in case there is any problem in the unit there is no turning back as the shipping cost to send and recieve would be more than the price of the product. :cry: We do have dealers of branded gears here in India but frankly speaking they actually rip you as they demand more than 3 times of what the price is on the internet. I generally still prefer ordering my gears from the net and take the risk as it still comes out to be cheap rather than buying from the local dealer in India.

    I have decided only to get a compressor for now and would be using plugins which sound much better and keeps my signal in digital bench.

    I am avoiding Behienger for now and am looking at other options. After all the reviews for Behienger I feel that Pro and Behienger dont gel around :wink:

    Someone eles suggested me n-track and had downloaded it on the weekend. I liked n-track as its much easier to use and could also alows to external VST plugins, I tried using few VST this weekend and I am quite impressed. I am waiting to try Cubase SE and Nuendo that my friend is selling to me who runs a studio.

    Delta 1010 was on my list earlier but It looked to me that paying $200 more for the breakout box and balanced I/O is too early at this time so I switched to Delta 1010lt. As of now I dont have plans to run a long cables in which case I would require a Balanced I/O. But yes I am now thinking over it again as once if I have Delta 1010 I dont have to worry about any upgrade for some time.

    YES the direct out on Behienger was on of the most important reason for me to decide on it. Before I decided on Behienger I had Mackie on my list but the $$$ figure forced to change my plan. But now I am looking for a used one for now and am strongly tring to avoid Behienger.

    Thanks for the links, I am downloading many free plugins and tring them, its wonderful. :)

    As of now I dont have much requirment of Drum recording so I have decided that for now I would hire my friends drum kit as an when I need it, he has a set of Audix DP Elite 8 which he uses in his studio. This way I would save some $ and could get the Delta1010 and Mackie board which sounds much better investment on a long run.

    Lets hope I get the best of my resources.

    Thanks
    Kunal :D
     
  12. casper

    casper Guest

    Hi,
    I have just started using a program called Tracktion 2 from Mackie and it is worth looking into. I think the advantage for you is that this music production software comes with a lot of plugins to get you started. In addition, the user interface is all on one screen so navigating through the program is releativley easy. It even has some new mastering plugins that they offered in their free upgrade. This should eliminate the need for a lot of outboard gear. The support is really good. There is a forum hosted on the Mackie site as well as the KVR plugin site that you could read more about. There is also a demo movie of the software in action. The program runs about $150 US. Best Wishes:D
     
  13. Kunalgiri

    Kunalgiri Active Member

    HI Casper

    Thanks for the input, its surely worth trying. One of my friend uses it and he also has refered me the same. I am going to try it out in my friend's studio before I get it ordered. :lol:

    Thanks for your take....... :)
     

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