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Vintech Dual 72 vs. UA 2108?

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by Krou, Nov 15, 2004.

  1. Krou

    Krou Active Member

    That's is, it's between those 2 now. I've seen many "this pre vs. that pre" threads, here and on other forums, but yet these 2 battle it out. As far as I can tell, they have very similar specs and are similarily priced at around $1400. Many will say they're both excellent units and it's gonna come down to the sound. The reviews are very favorable for both of them, from what I've read elsewhere.

    I tried TapeOp but got no answers there, they were comparing a 2-610 with a 2108, while I wanted to know about these 2 transformer based units. So, there's $1400 to spend, you're eager to get your first good preamp, and you're not quite sure who gets your business first, UA or Vintech? Which makes a better, more versatile "my first good dual-channel pre"?

    Music style is mostly electronic (ie: Massive Attack-ish so vox and some live instrument recording alond with samples) but a damn good bass and guitar DI is certainly needed. Mic is a Studio Projects C1, though to be honest, I wouldn't mind investing in a better one eventually....TLM-103, AKC C-414?

    Thanks a lot for any advice.
  2. LittleDogAudio

    LittleDogAudio Active Member

    I have both in my studio. They may have the similar specs but they sound a bit different.

    The 2108 is cleaner then the Vintech. The Vintech has much more grit when pushed hard.

    They are both great sounding units, it would be a hard choice to make. I would give the 2108 a very slight edge.

    Hope this helps.

  3. Krou

    Krou Active Member

    Yeah that helps...
    Thing is, "clean" is what I'm trying to get away from. I'm from the Digi 001/002R land of pres in my almost 5 years of doing this. I want colour and first looked at the UA LA-610 channel strip. After a little more research I thought it may be best to include it for later, as the 610's tubey sound may not be so versatile. Bearing in mind the price comfort zone (approx.$1400), I started investigating both the Vintech and the 2108. I read a lot of great things about the 2108, mostly about the outputs which are based on the 1176, so you get a similar tone without the compression. Furthermore, I haven't read any negative things about the Vintech either, just lots of "great bang for the buck" pre for that Neve tone). So you can see how it makes the decision a little difficult.

    On an aesthetic note, the Vintech being a 2U chassis makes it seem like a very reliable and well designed unit. I know it's not about looks, but it's a hefty looking unit, which I like.
  4. boheme6

    boheme6 Guest

    if you're not married to having 2 channels...
    spend another 100 bucks or so and get the Vintech X73i... the preamp is a bit better (extra gain stage) and the EQ rocks.

  5. LittleDogAudio

    LittleDogAudio Active Member

    Yep I agree that the Vintech x73i is an under-appreciated pre/eq.

    For the $$$ it's hard to beat.

  6. Krou

    Krou Active Member

    well, yes, I'm sure it's a great pre, but again, it's between the 2108 and Dual 72. I want a dual-channel (as the single channel will be the UA LA-610 later on) and don't need an eq and comp. I've read some more on the 2108, seems a great choice for rock, which I do occaionally, but wouldn't want a pre that excels at a particular genre (though I'm sure both would sound good for most styles).
  7. ShellTones

    ShellTones Guest

    2 channels of Sebatron can be had for $1150. Great sound. Can be pretty clean or quite colored. Very versatile and a great DI box as well. I think Kurt said it rocks as a bass DI in his review.
  8. idiophone

    idiophone Guest

    If you want rock, go for the 2108. I use mine for everything - it's fantastic on kick and snare, and it kills on guitars, too.
  9. Bhennies

    Bhennies Guest

    the 2108 is NOT necessarily a clean pre. In fact, I think it can get kind of thick and dark when you saturate it (in a good way). But on low saturation it's pretty clean.

    I think it's a very versatile pre, it's my front end for vox, guitars, drum OH's, and even some keys and turntables (even though they usually go through my avalons). The thing that impresses me most about the pre is its transparent top end, even when overdriven. The DI sound is great too. Not to mention only 1 rack space versus two on the vintech. I'd certainly recommend it.

    p.s. the 610 is a little too thick for my liking, but still cool as well. Maybe get the 2108 and save for a single channel great river down the road?

    p.p.s. like idiophone says...this thing kills on guitar.
  10. Krou

    Krou Active Member

    Would you say the 2108 is much better on guitars than the Vintech?
    While guitars isn't the main application, it would be nice to - finally - have a nice tone the few times I do record some. Vox and bass were my main concerns and "not clean" is absolutely fine. I've had nothing but 'clean' for over 4 years and I'm tired of it, bring on the paint! Just a good dual that can help with synths, mixbus, vox, gtr, bass, etc...

    I'm sure Sebatrons are great, but I'm kinda stuck on the two I mentioned, don't know why, but it's either one of those, thanks though.

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