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Washout and Phasing recording questions

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Scott_Fouts, Dec 13, 2003.

  1. Scott_Fouts

    Scott_Fouts Guest

    Hey everyone,

    Its been a while since I've posted any stupid questions. have been busy recording some live shows for a friend over the last 5 months.

    the question i'm posing relates to the recordings. so i feel its best to explain the setup first:

    Tim plays accoustic guitar for the shows. i've got his accoustic DX going through the mains, his VOX (b87a) of course sent to mains, and i've got the following on his guitar: 2 Rode NT5's, 1st pointing towards the strumming hand from the base-and the 2nd pointing towards the body/neck separation from the neck side. there is also an AKG 3000 about 12 inch in front of the hole pointing towards the body/neck split. only the DX goes to the mains so i can open up the non DX mic gains a bit more than normal and not worry about feedback creeping in.

    okay - after all that here's the deal (are you still reading?)

    i'm having a little trouble in the mix dealing with the washed out feeling i'm getting from the little bit of vocals that bleed into the nt5's and 3000. i've been able to get rid of some of it with EQ - but i'm still running into the same problem - it seems like i have to ride the VOX fader too high in order to get past the washed out feeling.

    so the real question is: is there a way with phase cancellation i can deal with this, or should i rely on EQ'ing? or is it a combination i should trace?

    okay - this is a stupid question . . . told you i hadn't posted one in a while.

    thanks for reading. i've got mp3s available it it can help.

    scott sends . . .
  2. slicraider

    slicraider Guest

    Did you try flipping the phase of the vocal to see if that eliminated the problem? The problem may not be that it is 180 degrees out of phase and for that Little Labs makes a box with many features, one that allows you to adjust the phase in increments. :p:
  3. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    A little bleed can be a good thing.After all the vocal thats printed should be the same as the 'bleed' vocal only with different characteristics.Still the same.....Flip the phase on yer out-front mic also...
  4. Scott_Fouts

    Scott_Fouts Guest

    Thanks guys - I've got to figure out how to wire the change in - the mackie doesn't do phase - so i've got to work on that.

    Thanks very much for the replies.

  5. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    What about a Radio Shack project box with two XLR connectors, and a DPDT switch to cross the two hot wires?

    My concern here would be switching when 48V is active.
  6. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Distinguished Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    Shure Brothers and Hosa make an XLR adapter with a switch for polarity swapping, go buy a dozen.
  7. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    A very useful tool for ANY studio situation is the In Phase/Out Phase Y cable....I usually make mine with the female(the mic end) as the single and then wire two males(the board end)onto this with one each being the opposite polarity of the other.About 18" of cable each is all that is needed.Use a nice small low impedance cable that will fit two under the XLR rubber strain relief. These generally last forever and come in quite handy.I have several.Mark one + and the other -......I also have the opposite type for running two mics on a single line.I dont use it too much as I have 32 inputs.

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