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wd360gd sata

Discussion in 'Recording' started by gabitzu, Jun 12, 2003.

  1. gabitzu

    gabitzu Guest

    hi...i-m actualy using 2 wd jb hard drives wd40jb for op and wd80jb for data on p4pe mobo....my mobo suports serial ata...i'm planning to buy the new WD360GD serial ata 10.000 rpm to use it for data...is it a good idea?...will they work well together?...hey opus you're the biggest wd fan ;) ...just tell me your opinion...
    thank you!!!
     
  2. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    personally SATA on those boards are ok, not great.

    The newer boards have the latest SATA version on them which has a better support. Basically SATA is going through a series of phases and it won't be fully done until next year with the newer chipsets.

    You cantry it but I have no idea how well they will work. So far bench marks aren't that great from what I have read.

    Opus :D
     
  3. MisterBlue

    MisterBlue Guest

    For most humans (including most professionals) an ATA100 disk at 7200rpm (!) with a 2MB or 8MB buffer will do just fine these days - offering PLENTY of bandwidth for digital audio workstations. Other factors are likely to play a much bigger role in restricting what you can do with your PC at that point.

    I personally would stay away from the cutting edge technologies until they are proven, stable and tuned - OR until you see a REAL need to make use of them.

    Just my opinion,

    MisterBlue.
     
  4. Hypothesis

    Hypothesis Guest

    A very good point MisterBlue !

    IMO, it is much better to invest in two good and proven 180GB ATA133 8MB cache WD drives, than a single 360GB SATA drive... And there currently really is no need for anything faster, because I do mixes with as much as 80 channels of 24 bit audio, and everything works just fine with ATA... It's much better to invest in things like a good Motherboard, faster CPU or another UAD-1, or Powercore,.... :) Cheers !
     
  5. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Hey, who said we were humans here?!! lmao!

    You're only human until you start becoming smarter than your computer...or is it the other way around?!! :D
     
  6. MisterBlue

    MisterBlue Guest

    80 channels of 24 bit audio? WOW ! :D LOL!

    Sounds like your system is performing just fine...

    MisterBlue
     
  7. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Mister Blue

    He's not recording all the channels at the same time...just mixing them!

    I've gotten up to about 75 channels on my system.
    That's doubling a lot of the tracks though for a really really rich vocal mix or guitar track! lol

    Opus :D
     
  8. MisterBlue

    MisterBlue Guest

    Alright, make that "trying to MIX the Vienna Symphonic Orchestra" (individually mic'ed)" then :D . (Dammit, why does it go wrong everytime I'm trying to crack a little joke here ... ;) .

    MisterBlue.
     
  9. Jbon

    Jbon Guest

    Hello, I am a willing Guinee pig on this SATA &
    Raptor subject in hopes you folks might continue the discussion,since I just ordered one of the
    865PE chipset Mboards. It is the Asus P4P800 Deluxe. I finally bit it off while ago, when I saw
    Asus Ad on the Web about PAT="HyperPath",with, what seemed to be characterized as a sort of "agreement" between Intel and Asus, or I interpreted it that way.
    http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/event/P4P800/index.html

    I plan on adding a pair of the Raptors along with
    this upgrade with some ram sticks of some speed,
    and most likely a fresh power supply since my HP
    Pavilion533w (my upgrade object) only sports 200w in that department. I am now using the systems
    native 60gb Maxtor paired with a WD 80gb.
    If I manage any improvement in audio at all I am happy. Since my system was an OEM type trip,Maybe I won't be too disappointed.
    Many questions in my mind will be made clear before I dismantle anything, though. If need be,
    I can assemble from scratch by adding a processor
    to my budget. But since that will take a while longer it is my second choice.
    So if you guys want a willing participant in an experiment whose outcome you are interested, YO!


    and (in advance) ThankYou,Kindly!
     
  10. 3dchris

    3dchris Active Member

    Gabitzu,
    I use 120GB Seagate SATA drive for audio and it works ok but I did not find it any better than my WD 80GB drive with 8mb buffer. I don't think you should expect too much improvement if any at all.

    tnx,

    chris
     
  11. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Jeff

    Indeed, from the articles I have read, and digested, they say at this point in time there is no performance gain by using SATA at the present moment.

    As I have stated before it's way too early in the ball game for SATA to be in the running for a high performance gain as to where it is sitting in the maniboard architecture.

    Once PCI Express and the new chipsets are out next year, then at that point will we see a big performance increase.

    Opus
     
  12. Hypothesis

    Hypothesis Guest

    - There it is ! The OKAMA Gamesphere !
    - Dude, It's got a 128GHz DRAM !
    - What's that ?
    - Don't know... but it kicks ASS !

    hehehe, if you watch Southpark, you've probably seen this episode ! And don't forget to bring a towel !

    P.S.
    And about the 80 channels - It's Music & Sound FX for film together... about 40-50 channels for the complete orchestration, and some 30 channels for the FX... and I run them from two separate drives...
     
  13. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Ahhhh...South Park...I sometimes have to visit those guys here in town to help them with their Apogee stuff!

    Great bunch of folks over there!

    Opus :D
     
  14. Hypothesis

    Hypothesis Guest

    Hey Opus !
    Do you actually know the people who make Southpark or ... ?
     
  15. 3dchris

    3dchris Active Member

    Hypo, Opus was just referring to the homeless guys from the park south of his house :) Opus, there are some nice guys in my south park too ! :)
    hehehehe
     
  16. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    I know the people that record and edit the vocals and music and so forth!

    Goofy bunch of people of course! lol

    Opus :D
     
  17. Jbon

    Jbon Guest

    Very well gentlemen I do believe all you say. I
    still have two Raptors I wish to employ, for which
    I also have acquired Asus' p4p800 motherboard, feeling confident I have made a fair selection, versus the add-on "card" option.(for raid 0).
    The fact that I now use IDE and non-raid, hopefully can assure me some audio betterment, once I have enabled raid I will enjoy more audio fidelity with raid, be it sata or other.Plus the
    drives I am currently using are not 10,000rpm, which the drives I use will then be.
    I am none the less hoping to build this thing to work at its most optimum level of performance
    if I can and I think I can, but I must have help
    or that is to say since the web exists, I will employ it to diminish my own shortcomings with the grace of world wide friendship. Since my shortcomings are great I have to. So you men don't stop addressing me!
    My new MOBO looks like its a "lefty".
    And the spot I had had in mind for it now contains a (guess)........ yes a righty!
    HP told me my pavlov dog was ATX form factor.
    If the no-name MB now installed measures 12' x9.6"
    I'll kiss your feet. I ain't gon' bitch though
    at least not live.....
     
  18. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Jeff

    you speak in riddles that make me wonder what in the world you are actually asking us?!!!! :confused:

    What is it you are truly asking? Is it that you are confused on whether you will gain performance or not? Is it that you wonder if you can use RAID on a single IDE drive? If so, no. RAID can only work on two or more drives. One drive is not a RAID configuration. With SATA you can not have two drives on one cable! Only one! You need to physical SATA connectors on the motherboard to do this.

    Yes, 10,000 RPM is indeed fast but it depends on the chipset implementation to truly take advantage of it.

    Now, the board you chose is not as fast or properly implemented for the type of process you want.

    You got the 865 chipset and not the 875 which has the better IHC5 on it. This is the key to better performance in the long run.

    The different between ATA RAID and SATA RAID is barely noticable at this stage of development.

    Opus
     
  19. Jbon

    Jbon Guest

    Yes I do understand that in order to either stripe
    (raid 0)or mirror(raid 1) two drives to work as one, it is necessary to actually have two drives.
    And I understand that two drives require two cables, one each, right? You intellectuals seem to have a rather short fuse,no? I do not mean to speak in any sort of code, riddles or crypto-anything AT ALL . That it appears otherwise is a
    bit upsetting to me also, believe me,so I apologize!
    I would like to read some of the data referring to the negligible speed improvements in the nature of SATA you have mentioned as to its non-advantageous properties.
    I have never built a system and how one might go about configuring previous existing (IDE) drives
    as well as another format-style(SATA) to be in
    harmonious co-existence is not understood yet by me at all, and I am interested in hearing anyones experience on the matter, as well as any of the above areas,IF anyone would care to comment.
    I understand there are issues about this new "Raptor"upstart from western digital.(I am looking at two of them here now on my desk). I understand that if I had already been using Mac, Pro-tools and SCSI,($$$$$$$$$) I would be a tad grumpy about this new, affordable alternative to those fine relics which I always have wished for.
    I understand that if I had all that stuff and have had it for years, and now this new cheaper
    version/means of getting the same results, came along and some stranger who uses 6, and 7 letter
    words wants some help in a task I could do blindfolded in my sleep, I might be tempted to
    discourage him.
    I understand asking for help in some places is
    almost downright foolish and unlikely at best...
    But I ask anyway, because money is an object at this time, for me. Icannot just go out and buy
    what I need. I have to plan and plan and watch the majority of plans fail, cause I don't know what I am doing. And so I have to ask for help
    from any place I can get it.
    I promise, O, to disguise my question is the last of my intentions.I think I may try a bit too hard to be clear, sometimes. I am told that I go to too much detail, so I try to be brief. That does not work here. I will keep trying til I get across. I admit I may ramble some, but having re-read my post, I do not see riddles. I am truly sorry my posts are not discernable.

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    PS
    I am sorry but getting upset I become even more forgetful as to what I need to ask:
    I do not have a graphics card now, only 3PCI slots and the only slot with a card has two
    ethernet jacks, so I think it is a 10/100 lan
    card there. I have video, sure enough. I can only think of things negative when I imagine what it will be like when I get the nerve to disconnect
    my "old" motherboard and presume to replace it.
    Can you clear this up at all for me?(From control panel/ graphics, I get an "Intel"logo&stuff, but I do not understand how it is that I do have functioning video, so I will be hard put for it, once I have gone through what its going to take to replace this "ATX" motherboard.
    Which brings me to the other boggle. No inquiry here, just comment if you care to.
    HP assured me myPavilion533w desktop is of the ATX form factor. To me that means an established
    standard. 12" by 3/4" ,right?
    Since I am a sheetmetal journeyman, I am able to
    "adjust" any lack of space issues, I just wonder what anybody else has to say about the "standard"
    My ATX MB wont fit into my "ATX" case, made or sold by HP, since the MB that is in it now is only
    9" by 9 3/4"
    Just tell me is that the sh*ts or is it just me?
     
  20. Jbon

    Jbon Guest

    The chipset on this board has an "R" at the end
    (ICH5R), is that what you mean?

    We know that mechanically such a speed is no problem at all, as SCSI disk drives with platter speeds as high as 15,000 rpm have been available for some time. The reason why ATA equivalents of such drives were not available until now is of a commercial nature: most manufacturers are enjoying a much better profit margin with their high cost SCSI disks. They certainly don’t like the idea of reducing this business by releasing ATA disks with similar performance but lower prices and smaller profit margins. The US manufacturer Western Digital on the other hand is not manufacturing SCSI disks and therefore it makes sense that it is Western Digital which brings now the first 10,000 rpm IDE disk into the market: the WD360GB with the fancy marketing name Raptor.
     

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