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Discussion in 'Fix This MIX!' started by youse, Dec 28, 2012.

  1. youse

    youse Active Member

    I'm no pro - I write and record my own stuff. Am I welcome to post stuff here?
  2. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Welcome, use dropbox or soundcloud :)
  3. youse

    youse Active Member

    Soundcloud for this little salmon. By New Year.
  4. youse

    youse Active Member

    Okay, here it is. Best I can do in three days - I can't hear it anymore, so it's time to get some opinions. Impressions? Suggestions? Questions?

    Hm...looks like I can't embed the Soundcloud link. Okay, it's called 'for good'.

  5. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Interesting track. Not sure what to think or suggest because its so different. Its a bit dry for me but you've done a great job recording this. I mean, its clear and because of this, you have a lot of mixing options and direction you could take this song.

    Personally I would add reverb and delay on various tracks. But maybe you want this really dry like this?

    Some Suggestions to start:

    Delay on brass sounds wonderful. I'd do that
    The drums are very weak, snare is really plain and too far back. There is no kick worth mentioning?
    The lead vocal needs some EQing in the lower mid to help with the too close proximity ( I would cut a few DB around 300/400hz and use a HPF on it too). Also a bit of verb to help it sit a bit better in the track would be ideal.

    I would also hit this with some compression on the master bus but you need the mix tweaked before I would do that. There are more things I would suggest but the first things I've suggested are what I'd do first before anything else. So thats my two cents at this point.

    You've got a great start.
  6. youse

    youse Active Member

    Beauty. That's so useful. I've done fifty or sixty mixes, but I need the experience that another fifty or sixty mixes will bring. It's really useful to have places to start, like you've provided. Thanks. thumb
  7. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    a lot of times its another ear that really helps.

    I listened again, I might even switch out that snare for a sidestick. You don't really need a twack but a more dominant sidestick with a longer reverb tail might be the ticket for this. I'd experiment more. The snare isn't quite right for this.
    The overall bed tracks would benifit from a second reverb. Something like a gentle Hall added with a sweet decay. An early reflection ( which you have) with a hall is a nice combo.
    NOTE: When I say reverb, not too much either. Too much verb makes everything sound cheep (IMHO). But you need more to help the mix glue better.

    I'm just shooting blanks suggesting more than this right now. Hope it helps. Maybe others will chime in with their suggestion to really shake this up.

  8. youse

    youse Active Member

    Okay, I addressed most of what you suggested in this post (in my own clumsy fashion). The new mix is in Soundcloud.
  9. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    A bit better. It would have been helpful to listen to your older mix to compare what you did. The snare sounds a bit louder. Vocals are still dry and a bit buddy in the low mids. You'll get there with practice :)

  10. youse

    youse Active Member

    Ah, okay. I put the old one back up for A/B purposes.
  11. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    This could be a really nice track, but there several details to get right first. In addition to what audiokid mentioned, for me, it's the opening guitar sound that's setting my ears against wanting to listen to more.

    Was this a solid-body guitar or an acoustic? Was there any microphone channel (amp or body) blended in with the DI track? Either way, it needs more acoustic sound.

    Also, I suspect the guitar is out of tune or is not accurately fretted. Try playing each of the notes in the opening sequence separately into a guitar tuner and see what spread of pitch you get around the correct note.

    The later parts of the track are sounding good.
  12. youse

    youse Active Member

    Hey, thanks for listening and sharing impressions - I appreciate it.

    I'm less concerned that the listener might not be able to tell whether the guitar's acoustic or electric than I am with the out-of-tuneness your're hearing. I wonder if that's got something to do with the delay I put on it. (I'm just getting into delay - I've been relying on reverb for space until recently.) I'll check it. It's easy enough to re-track it if I have to. Thanks again.

    Oh - it's a Fender Tele close-miked and no DI. :)
  13. youse

    youse Active Member

    Just for the record: on second thoughts, I think this track might have been DI'ed, and not with a Tele. My forgetful.
  14. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    I certainly was surprised when you said it was a Tele and via a mic, as the track has a very DI sound to it.

    The frets on genuine Telecasters are as accurate as you will find on a production guitar, but the note accuracy when playing does depend on using the string weight they were designed for.
  15. youse

    youse Active Member

    I did this track a long time ago. I think now it was an Ibanez, with microtuners, and I traded it in on the Tele because I had to tune it all the time. So you might be right - maybe I've heard the track so many times I'm not hearing the out-of-tuneness. But I'd really appreciate it if you'd listen again if I repost it with a different effect on the guitar.
  16. youse

    youse Active Member

    I redid the guitar. In tune? I tweaked some other stuff, too.

    "For Good New Guitar"

  17. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Yes! Much better. The guitar has some character now and (to my ear) is in tune. If you wanted to go further with it, you could try re-amping the track you have and spreading the result a bit wider in the stereo field. You may only need this for the opening 35 sec until the vocal entry.

    I suggest you need a little more reverb on the sax to give it some more space. I didn't say it before, but I really like the harmony vocals.
  18. youse

    youse Active Member

    Thanks, Boswell - very useful. I'll work through the suggestions you made and then I'm going to put this mix on the shelf for a month.

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