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Discussion in 'Fix This MIX!' started by Smashh, Sep 22, 2014.

  1. Smashh

    Smashh Active Member

    This is something we done a while back ,and now that I have a new reverb I thought
    Id mix it again .
    I got the vintage verb to add to the V room I have been using.
    Also after testing my plug ins the other day I have stayed away from the ones that
    alter the track sound and make them muddier .

    Do you think the reverb is doing the right job ?




    View: https://soundcloud.com/musicmanash/mix-test
     
  2. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Great song and vocal performance!
    The left and right balance is off, even when both guitars are playing and the left one has noises. (if you could clean it up..)
    The verb is pleasing and fits the song, I wouldn't have a problem using it ! ;)
     
  3. Smashh

    Smashh Active Member

    Thanks PCR , I think Ill redo the acoustic , My guitar has ply side /back and picks up way too much movement of anything rubbing against the
    body, Ive also used a condenser mic but I thinking of trying a 57 instead to negate that problem and the breathing I can hear when track is soloed .

    Does anybody here use a 57 for acoustic guitar and what are the results like ?
     
  4. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    http://www.recording.org/index.php?threads/mic-and-mic-pre-demo-bare-bones.57473/

    This was a post from a few weeks ago, where I used a 58 on acoustic and a 57 on vocal.
     
  5. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    @Smashh : the noise that I speak about is not a body noise, it's a white noise. Like if you would have pushed the preamp too much or if a part of the signal chain was very noisy. Or again if you've recorded the guitar with low input levels and/or pushed it a lot with volume and compressor.

    If you record the guitar again, try to pin point were the noise is introduced. guitar preamp/battery, mic, cable, preamps, gain staging, plugins...
    If it comes from the 002 when the preamps are pushed, try a closer mic placement.
    As a suggestion, you could experiment recording with 2 mics and decide what to keep at mix time.
     
  6. Smashh

    Smashh Active Member

    :cry:OOh , yeah PRC , I just went back and checked the session and the ac guitars were recorded way down low.

    At the time I had just got the presonus channel strip and hadn't figured the correct wiring and gain structure ,
    I couldn't seem to get rid of the white noise no matter what I did :cry:
    . More recently after seeing a forum here I've made a balanced lead from the strip and
    used the analog 5 in on the 002 rack to bypass the pre amp on the rack.
    Lately Ive been able to turn the volume knobs to full and havent had the white noise problem.


    Donny , I listened to your song with the 58 on acoustic , nice work mate (y) . Tell me please , did you have any
    eq before or after the pre amp ? .

    I ll try a sm58 through the pre amp . Im guessing it would sound best with the input resistance at 150 ohms
    for the main guitar part at least.

    Another question now , if some one has time to explain the gain knob next to the threshold and ratio knobs on
    the presonus ADL 700. I was guessing it is a make up knob .:confused:

    Thanks for your time :)
     
  7. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I guess you are talking about the gain from the compressor section.
    Simply put, the signal goes like this ;
    1. On the preamp select the input and when on mic the impedance than the gain applied to amplify the mic signal.
    2. If not on bypass, the signal is sent to the compressor, you can ajust the threshold and ratio to control how much and how hard the compression will apply. (the attack and release set how fast and how long)
    3. then the gain control the signal sent to the eq.
    4. The signal is then sent to the EQ and then to the Level (which is the output level)
    They did it like that because you can push the preamp to overdrive with the gain or to have more harmonics or you can set the preamp to lower gain to have a cleaner sound. After that, you adjust the compressor gain to compensate for lower preamp settings and for the compression.

    Text from Sweetwater :
    Preamp section of the ADL 600
    The preamplifier stage in the ADL 700 is a discrete Class A circuit, based on the preamp in the ADL 600, with balanced input transformer and three vacuum tubes with 300-volt power rails. The preamp includes instrument, line, and microphone inputs with selectable input impedance, high gain, and highpass filter. The preamp section allows for overdriving of the tube section for coloration, or shifting the impedance to draw different tones from your microphone. With 75dB of gain available, the ADL 700 easily handles gain-hungry ribbon mics.
    FET compressor/limiter
    The compressor stage in the ADL 700 features a discrete FET-based VCA compressor with variable threshold, ratio, attack, release, and make-up gain. The FET compressor reacts to transients faster than optical circuits for better protection against peaks, preserving the integrity of your source material.
    EQ
    The EQ stage in the ADL 700 is a discrete Class A 4-band semi-parametric EQ with switchable high/low Q. The bands overlap for surgical sculpting of the sound. Aside from the dedicated EQ section, there's a 3-position hi-pass filter for further sound shaping. An EQ/Compressor switch lets you switch the order of the EQ and compression in the signal chain for more tonal flexibility.
     
  8. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Don't let the manual or text books dictate how to adjust the impedance on the 700. It's there for you to experiment and decide which sounds the best.
    Each mic has a impedance information in their specs, you could try to match it, but it's funnier just to try and pick the best sound for the song..

    My 2 cents ! ;)
     
  9. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Check this : http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan03/articles/impedanceworkshop.asp

    What focurite suggests :
    Impedance Setting Quick Guide
    In general, the following selections will yield these results:

    High mic pre-amp impedance settings
    will generate more overall level
    will tend to make the low- and mid-frequency response of the microphone flatter
    will improve the high-frequency response of the microphone.
    Low pre-amp impedance settings
    will reduce the microphone output level
    will tend to emphasise the low- and mid-frequency presence peaks and resonant points of the microphone
     
  10. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Donny , I listened to your song with the 58 on acoustic , nice work mate (y) . Tell me please , did you have any
    eq before or after the pre amp ? .


    No. I wanted to see what I could achieve in a completely flat and unprocessed scenario with the pre and DAW I have. I do have nicer mics... (several neumann's, some vintage 414's, etc) I just wanted to do this as a test of sorts, to see what could be done with the most basic bare bones set up I could use.
     
  11. Smashh

    Smashh Active Member

    THanks for that , Im getting a better take on the workings of the ADL now.
    Sounds like the higher impedance will be more suited to the 58 on acoustic . I will give it a whirl .

    The Focusrite impedance guide is more understandable !

    Donny , how do you find the energy to experiment like that at 4 in the morning :sneaky:
     

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