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What console ,digital or analog ??

Discussion in 'Recording' started by apogee, Oct 13, 2005.

  1. apogee

    apogee Guest

    Hello ,

    I would to know your opinion about

    1.Behringer MX9000A ,
    2.Behringer DDX3216

    I currently use Cubase SX with EMU's Emulator X ,VST linked to a second system using Cubase 5.1 for VST link (effects & Vsynths).There is also a Delta 1010 ,not curentlyin use.
    Anyone can think some reason why someone could go the MX9000 ANALOG way instead of DDX ?? I'll need to record multiple sources simultaneously like a band .

  2. iznogood

    iznogood Guest

    i would say go analog...

    but stay away from behringer...
  3. Boltino

    Boltino Guest

    I second that.

  4. Digger

    Digger Guest

    Assuming you are using dome sort of Daw - screw the console, get a nice collection of high end mic pres. If you really want to get the summing that you get from a board pick up any one of the twenty zillion summing boxes out there. :cool:
  5. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    Fredericksburg, VA
    Yep, I can think of one GREAT reason to go analog.


    However, not to jump on the "I hate Behringer" bandwagon, but suggesting going with analog for quality's sake and then recommending a Behringer is much like ---

    going to a fine restaurant, ordering a $200 steak with a $150 Lobster, starting off with $600 caviar and then asking for a fine vintage of Boon's Farm Strawberry Hill wine....

    It just don't make sense.

    External pres are good, some inexpensive mixers are good, Behringers are not.


    J. :cool:
  6. huub

    huub Guest

    Well...Although behringers certainly are crap..I must say that, given the price (almost for free) they are fantastic..
    I've heard halfway decent productions recorded with behringer mixers..
    So depends what you want: halfway decent home production, behringer good, want it to sound glossy and fat, behringer not good..
    Hell, I've mixed broadcasts with millions of viewers on a behringer..(Nothing else was available in Russia.).

    While on the subject: Spirits also sound crap..
    Mackies are quite o.k. to my ears..
  7. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    Fredericksburg, VA
    Well, I disagree there -

    Spirits are quite good for the money. Fuller and warmer sounding than the Mackies. Though I do like the Mackies too for the money.

  8. huub

    huub Guest

    Well..the spirits definitely sound warm, but in my opinion it's more of a not-so-defined muddy warmth..But I admit the word crap was a bit too strong.
  9. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    Fredericksburg, VA
    Fair enough...

    Muddy in comparison to the warm but clean Summts - yes.

    Muddy in comparison to $200 outboard pres - nahh.

    i can accept that assessment though.

  10. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Sep 26, 2005
    I worked on Mackies and Beringer's. Beringer advertises that they have quiet microphone preamplifiers but they're a lot noisier than the Mackie's and mushier. Just remember, neither one is terribly repairable. Built in blocks of eight channels and all surfacemount. The Mackie's definitely have a more neutral sounding microphone preamplifier.
  11. Timmetje

    Timmetje Guest

    Better choose a midrange product of a reliable brand than a state of the art of a crappy brand. If it works it's pretty good indeed, but i have seen to many problems to avoid them. Yesterday we were a doing a broadcast from a location and had to work with approx 100 meter of xlr to feed a Neumann. The console couldn't handle it and started to produce sidetones on the channel. This was a a&h which hasn't got a bad reputation for most situations.

    it is not a matter of what a console can do, but how it acts in reallife. When you are live on the air with your phone on the console, with a studer that's no problem. Try that with a less costing console. But than again i have also seen digital neve's fail over and over again and you can buy a house for that price.

    Just get something that is able to handle your jobs and make sure it handles them pretty well.
  12. huub

    huub Guest

    hey tim!
    No. it was actually the behringer preamp that produced the sidetones..The a&h couldnt give phantom..
    Why, oh, why do people put Behringer stuff in broadcast trucks??
    Oh, talking about digital Neves failing: I just mixed football on 2 O2r's because the neve did some random stuff (and it did some stuff not)...Those Neves really need to be sold..

  13. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Sep 26, 2005
    Hey kids.... Just remember that phantom power is direct current and direct current does not travel well along long lines like AC does. If you're trying to phantom power microphones on a long pull, consider using a phantom power adapter at the microphone end. Especially for heavy current sinkers like the Neumanns. They are not like the permanently polarized electret condensers and require a lot more ZOT. Certainly, popular cheap mixers cannot deliver.
  14. Timmetje

    Timmetje Guest

    Hey Huub!, didn't know you were on this forum, LOL!
  15. Timmetje

    Timmetje Guest

    Well, a normal decent console should not get you into trouble under normal situation as long as you use good cabling etc. I remember my tyears in the theatre were the artist forbid me to use anything else than our own stuff on tour. We had to much trouble with using the theatre stuff. Feeding the Neumann km140 vocal mic (precessor of the 105) was a killer for cheap multicables.

    And those 02R keep saving our buds, i have done five year touring without a problem with them and still keep two as 'spare' in the studio!

    No way i'm gonna sell them for the price they hit on the market these days.

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