what happens when you're too close to the mic

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by YUNG DIEZEL, May 19, 2010.

  1. YUNG DIEZEL

    YUNG DIEZEL Guest

    im using cool edit pro to record, and i just realized when i say words with hard "k" sounds, like "cool" or "cat" , it sounds bad in the mic, does anyone know how to fix that???:mad:
     
  2. nicomusic

    nicomusic Guest

    This got to be with high frequency equalization.
     
  3. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    No. It's what happens when you're too close to the mic and don't have a pop filter.
     
  4. nicomusic

    nicomusic Guest

    Put a sock on your MIC it works as a pop filter. But it can be an equalization issue.
     
  5. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    It's a pressure wave from the back of the tongue being suddenly pulled from the rear of the roof of the mouth. It's a very hard, very fast transient. You can edit them out easily enough with a wave editor.
     
  6. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    OK.... if a pop filter doesn't help, you have a problem...lol
    Make it a thicker sock... or use a fast limiter/ compressor or guide the singer to work on his technique
    which seems necessary, anyhow, if it doesn't happen with more singers. If this is a common "feature" of your setup
    consider a serious upgrade of your gear.
     
  7. YUNG DIEZEL

    YUNG DIEZEL Guest

    i was using a pop filter, and tried adjusting the mic , and backing up, and the sound still was there.

    i figured out how to fix it manually,

    i just zoom in on the beginning of the word that has the "k" sound, and de amplify it, like 10 db, and it sounds perfect . However, u say high frequency equalization, what way is there to remedy the problem without high frequency equalization???
     
  8. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    Never had that.... This pop filter is antennuating anything a normal human being can shout at a mic.
    But I could provoke it with a compressor on slow attack.. lol... or a broken mic, even defective preamps can cause this.
    What mic are you using?
     
  9. YUNG DIEZEL

    YUNG DIEZEL Guest

    im using a samson usb mic , lol.
     
  10. Big K

    Big K Well-Known Member

    lol .... I have something like that to keep the door open when airing the studio..
    ;-)

    Sorry, could not resist...

    Have you tried any other mic on it, yet? You might not have a mic pre, though.
    Is the power supply of the PC strong and reliable? Maybe it is down to its knees and can't deliver enough juice to the Samson.
    But we are just guessing. Please, list your gear, here. It would really help to know what you are working with.
     
  11. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    Pop filters attenuate large bursts of air - That's it. Won't do a thing in this situation (nothing will except a vocalist that knows not to do that).
     
  12. boxcar

    boxcar Active Member

    couldn't agree more.
    good pronounciation is key and also the arrangements. sometimes when im writing and i use a word i have problems with, i'll re-write that line a different way so it slips off the tongue better or replace that word completely.

    for instance:
    "i know a cat" might slip off the tongue easier than "a cat i know".
     
  13. YUNG DIEZEL

    YUNG DIEZEL Guest

    well, i found out how to edit it just zooming in the the beginning of the word, and decreasing the db by like 10, so it sounds perfect, and i dont have to change my lyrics around.
     
  14. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    I'm with you on a vocalist learning how to sing plosive consonants correctly (the shape of the vowel after the plosive is key). But the whole point of a plosive is that it causes a large burst of air -so a pop filter can be a help. Hold your hand in front of your mouth and work with the consonants k, b, t, p. You will feel the blast of air. Note that it goes in a different direction for different consonants - so mic position can help avoid the blast as well.
     
  15. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    If a "K" sound is causing a burst of air, there's something seriously wrong with your soft palate.

    I suppose a "KUH" might have a bit of air behind it, but a popper-stopper is going to do nothing for the whip-like crack of a hard "K" sound from the tongue snapping away from the soft palate... Technically, it probably creates a small temporary vacuum.
     
  16. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Well I don't know how yalls talk in Chicago, but in the rest of the world the "voiceless velar plosive" [k] is formed by blocking an explosion of air from the lungs using the back of the tongue against the soft pallet. Not as big a burst of air as a [p] but definitely there.
     
  17. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    *Blocking* the air. What happens after the gigantic transient is another story. But we're talking about that gigantic transient here... A very broad-band (probably right up to and beyond 20kHz), short duration (milliseconds at best) snap that almost resembles a half-speed digital clocking error.
     
  18. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    This sounds like a gain matching issue. There must be a mixer control panel for adjusting recording level, pass through monitoring level, playback level. And these sibilant sounds are hard to deal with. A lot of this has to do with microphone placement and the voice actor themselves. Recording gay men presents its own problems because of the sibilance. This is why we also use a device called a "De-Esser". These are both available in hardware devices and in virtually all software dynamics processing areas. This simply lowers the volume dynamically between 3000 Hz & 7000 Hz where the sibilant frequencies generally fall. But if you're getting a hard clicking sound that simply overload, software overload generally. Crunchy sounds are hardware overload. Believe me it's operator. You'll get the hang of it soon enough.

    Funny? I haven't seen any 24 USB microphone input mixers yet?
    Mx. Remy Ann David
     

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