What Initial Dyanamics Control Plugin do you use.

Discussion in 'Tracking / Mixing / Editing' started by Dozer, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. Dozer

    Dozer Active Member

    So right now I am using the Nomad Factory LM-662 Dual Limiting Amplifier, a recreation of the Fairchild 670 limiter. I use this as the first plugin in my mastering chain to just even out the dyanamics, very lightly.

    As far as anyone who might master "In The Box", what are you using for this task.

    I will be getting the UAD pak soon. In about a month. So I will be using their emulation of the Fairchild 670.
     
  2. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    that's a pretty non-transparent sounding compressor, do you use it because you like the sound?
     
  3. Dozer

    Dozer Active Member

    Well as long as you dont engage the 12AX7 tube function, its all good. Also I usually work with a good mix, so if there was an erratic spike in level, either me, or whoever did the mixing, should fix that.
    But if that isnt possible, well then the LM - 662 will take care of it. So usually Im only reducing/limiting, every now and then, the wild spike, to level out the dyanamics. And depending on the dyanamic level, usually about -4 decibels "hereandthere" on the meters. And for that wild one, up to -7dB
    You know tha deal.
    And its pleasing.
    So how about anyone else. Its not like your giving away the farm by answering. I hope I havent broken any "mastering, the art of secrecy rules" by asking this question LOL.
     
  4. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    I would place an eq before the compressor so you can balance it before compression. can work nicely.
     
  5. Dozer

    Dozer Active Member

    Im using it more as a limiter.
    Compression ratio is variable using the DC Bias knob. Availuble compression is 1:1 or 20:1

    Availuable Times:
    Attack Times:
    0.2, 0.4, 0.8, 20, 80, 100, 120, 300 ms
    Release Times:
    300 ms, 800 ms, 1 sec, 2 sec, 5 sec, 10 sec

    I got it set to 0.2ms Attack and 300ms release.
    Wish there was a faster release time

    The amount (0 - 100%) of 12AX7 tube emulation/saturation effect applied to
    audio is controlled by the tube-slider. At 0 (zero), no distortion or emulation
    occurs, as the tube-slider is increased, the tube (12AX7) generates warmth
    saturation and distortion.

    I of course use on tube emulation (0%).

    I am looking for another plugin for this task, Initial Dyanamics Control.

    In the past Ive used Adobe Audition 2.0 Hard Limiting function/process(Offline).
    It has a release of as low as 40ms, and lookahead of 10 seconds. Not sure of attack right now.

    I will do this, then some EQ, then multiband compression, then maybe some more EQ, if any. Also stereo manipulation if any. And then to the limiter. Its always different.
    All "In The Box".

    So basically looking for the best way/tool to accomplish this task.
     
  6. Dozer

    Dozer Active Member

    Ok, let me put it like this. "Top End Limiting"

    DC Offset Removal
    Stereo Correction If Needed
    Low Cut Filter, If needed, around 22Hz.
    Parametric EQing
    Top End Limiting

    The "top end limiting that is done before Multiband Comp., to tame the stray peaks.
    Sure I know of the "Purist" standpoint, just select the peak that is above the rest, and process offline with gain function.

    Im using WaveLab5 and I got Cubase SX3. I also have Adobe Audition 2.0

    Looking for a transparent limiter that will maintain transients.

    Also is there any plugin like the Sonnox Transient Modulator.?
    That operates on the same principle.

    How about the MPL-1 by Kjaerhus Audio
    Seems good because of the Lookahead, and you can turn off the AutoGain.
    I would just view the waveform, and judge the level to be limited to. And just bring down the threshold, to level out the dyanamics, just barely nip tha peaks.
    Then on to Multiband compression.
     
  7. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    I think what you are looking for is a transformer. run your mix out and into a transformer and bingo bango, you'll have your sound.
     
  8. Dozer

    Dozer Active Member

    Transformer, ahhah- a Decepticon in disguise. You cover is blown Michael.

    But really, what do you mean "Transformer".

    I know of electronic transformers, but you cant be talking about that.
     
  9. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    yep, that's what i'm talking about. lost of great gear has them and they all sound different. just running a mix through a piece of gear with nice transformers in them will shave off some of the nasties while still retaining nice detail.
     
  10. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    What piece of gear would have these transformers that you refer to Michael? Would that be, like, what would that be? A main amp has transformers no? What about a component cassette player? Got transformers?

    Running the audio signal into something that I may already have can help remove the warts? See, I'm all over that, I'll run the signal into the dishwasher if you say it has transformers in it!!!


    Thanks,


    Brien
     
  11. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    lots of different kinds of gear have transformers, some good and some bad. Of coarse you want the pieces that have good transformers. I like to think of transformers as a harder version of tubes. they take the edge off but don't soften it like some tube gear.
     
  12. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    I got ya.

    Bus out the mix and patch it into audio gear that has transformer->s<- and get a better overall wart-free sound?


    Where is that dishwasher manual,

    Brien
     
  13. citrusburst

    citrusburst Guest

    Michael -

    Could you give a few examples of some equipment you favor for transformer processing? I know that certain preamplifier topologies use transformers (the Neve line among them), but are there particular pieces you have in mind?

    Jed
     
  14. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    well I'm not REAL familiar with all the gear out there and what has what in it, but Amek, some Urie, shadow hills has a big beast with selectable transformers, some neve, some focusrite, lots have transformers. Some good and some not so good. you can look at a schematic or look up the gear on their website to find out what's in it. by trying different kinds, you'll get a sense about what it is you are hearing. The pricier pieces will probably have nicer components in them, but not always. I have a urie la22 that has jenson transformers in it and it sounds pretty nice. Not too pricey but hard to find. Neve likes the sound of transformers, in his 9098 eq he couldn't fit them in so he designed a circuit to emulate the sound. The great warm sound of a U47 has most to do with the transformer in it and not the tube.
     

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