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audio What's her name - new mix

Discussion in 'Fix This MIX!' started by Makzimia, Mar 2, 2015.

  1. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    @DonnyThompson @Chris @pcrecord

    Hi Guys,

    Per suggestions and comments, here is a new mix. I am working on new songs, but I just felt like knocking this one on the head, while I was in the mood. Bass has been tightened, voice fixed, over all mix redone. As usual all comments welcome :).

    Tony

     
  2. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Hi Tony, thanks for posting your song. Takes courage and open mind ! ;)

    You don't really say on which subjects you'd like comments on, compo, arrangement, recording, mixing ...

    Anyway, the first thing that pops to my head is that the rithme is a bit confusing. The drum is kind of weak and soft while the bass is kind of up beat with a lot of notes.
    It's like you have not decided if it's a balad or a pop/rock song...
    Also the sound chosen for the keyb solo, is disturbing. The notes might be ok, but the pitch shifts and roller coster sound is a bit weird..

    The balance is nice, except for the drum which could be more present and solid.

    That's it for a start, nice work in progress !! ;)
     
  3. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    Thanks for listening and commenting Marco :). I am really trying to get a feel for if I am pulling the song sound/mix together properly. Guess the answer is still no :). Interesting comment about the drums.. I thought what I have was actually loud on my system.. LOL, go figure. I am wondering if the tambourine is bringing the solid state of the backing down a little. I really like that synth personally, and I believe this is a personal thing perhaps?. John Farnham did similar things with songs in the 80s on his album Whispering Jack BTW.

    Donny mentioned the first time bass was not, in the groove, last time, I got that right now, yes?. Also, vocals were a bit off and needed a bit of a delay (per Chris) to fit better, do you feel they stand out?.
    It's definitely a pop song, the bass line was made to drive it and the drums to sit behind a little purposely.

    I am still getting the feel for the whole hybrid thing, and I am doubtful I have it entirely right in my BUS settings... I suspect the route through the DBX 231s, the DBX Quantum and the Eventide aren't making it in the bounce... I thought it was. I am also learning how the Event Opals sound at different levels and to different music styles. As I write folk and pop music, it's a learning curve still :).

    Cheers,

    Tony
     
  4. DogsoverLava

    DogsoverLava Active Member

    Bass was in the groove - whole song reminiscent of very early 80's early Toto feel -- if Toto's tour bus crashed into Joe Jackson and Gram Parker's tour bus..... cool that way

    Ya -- I'd bring drums up-- and I'd keep the sticks on the hat and open and close that hat as you motor on -- moving to the ride cymbal for a change up - Just a little more energy there. IIRC you are using Superior Drummer? I've been using it and I'm struggling to match the beats I hear in my head with what I end up using.... I just don't have the skills there and I feel like a cheat using the midi (but I use it) - wish I had a drummer on call right now.
     
  5. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    drummers = love / hate. my favorite recent drummer joke; what has 3 legs and an assh*le? 00o0o_3PvT89ideP_50x50c.jpg
     
  6. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    @DogsoverLava @pcrecord @Kurt Foster

    Morning people :).

    OK, so, I will get to work on this shortly again. Thanks Dogs :) yes I do use Superior Drummer. I still think the tambourine is part of the issue, I'll tackle the issues :). Thanks about the bass, it's very important that drives things. Wife also said she dislikes the sound of the lead synth at the moment BTW Marco, obviously I went somewhere astray with it :). And yes Kurt, it's like, what do you call someone who hangs out on stage with musicians, a bass player ;). ( Personally btw, I love a good bass player).

    Cheers,

    Tony
     
  7. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Yeah. Bass is locked now. Big difference. Now it's in the pocket. ;)
     
  8. DogsoverLava

    DogsoverLava Active Member

    I was going to comment that I'd like to hear a bit more of an overdriven, higher gain tone on the lead synth as well. Something a little bit meaner.
     
  9. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    @DogsoverLava lead given some edge :). I haven't bounced this version yet though.

    @Chris I got the mix done today, major issue though, I suspected I had one, now I know I do. Newbie issue I am sure... the X-Patch seems to not like having 1-2 in and 1-2 out suddenly. It's been working fine since I first installed it. Today it suddenly decided to cause feedback.. :(. Any ideas?. I did change some stuff around now to eliminate that, however, when I am listening back, it's sounding like it's doubling stuff up now.. or perhaps, I am hearing the results of too much stuff on something LOL.

    Bottom line is, as I suspected I wasn't getting a TRUE bounce down through the 'master chain'.

    Thanks,

    Tony
     
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Not sure, your process is foreign to me but make sure you don't have an open channel. When I was round tripping I made sure I turned off the output of the channel I was capturing too until playback time.
     
  11. Voiceofallanger

    Voiceofallanger Active Member

    I'm gonna go ahead and say the mix of this is great except the drums need to come up. I think any problems you're having with this are in the actual instrumentation because I've noticed that pretty much every element of it is completely staccato. I think the problem with the gelling of the track is mostly coming from the fact that the playing doesn't flow in parts. To highlight an example, the piano doesn't appear to have much sustain (even though there's pedal sustain on it) but the dynamics are very ... one dimensional and so it sounds slammed and the strings are very jagged. I think a lot of the problems with this can be fixed in the instrumentation because right now to me things sound a little TOO separated ? If all else fails there's always mastering verb. As for that synth.. As much as music is preferential I'm going to get fierce and say it's outright unsuitable in my opinion. Haha! Just my 2 cents :) Hope that helps somehow. A lot of pluses in this mix though man, nice job.
     
  12. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    This is a really accurate response to my thoughts too.
    To add, the mix on this is fine (good enough) right now. (y) I'd spend more time on the song over the mix right now.
     
  13. Voiceofallanger

    Voiceofallanger Active Member

    Chris. Be careful when agreeing with me. I might end up thinking I know what I'm talking about. Haha! Seriously though... It's nice that we are both of a similar opinion. It might help Tony out.
     
  14. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    @Chris Thanks, I am narrowing down the issues.

    @Voiceofallanger and @Chris I know that mix needed work, part of it is the issue I am having with hardware, some is in how I am presenting it. I believe, IF I can get this bounce down issue solved, you'll hear a big change in how it all fits together now.

    Thanks to all, very good constructive comments :).

    Cheers,

    Tony
     
  15. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    Ok here we go again :). Hopefully this answers a few more comments in a positive light :). I have one remaining hardware issue, but (mono sounds weird), bounce is true to mix now.

    New fixes for drums up. Piano up and added sustain. Overall remix . Lead narrowed and grunged up. I think I glued it more, but I am at saturation mode I admit.

     
  16. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    This is going to be very good, but it needs a bit more attention. Some of the component tracks (critically including the vocal) are out of phase between L and R channels.
     
  17. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    Thank you Bos!!!. Now I need to find out why... bloody SSL X-Patch is involved... I mentioned the mono issue.. tied to it. I think I need more study into how the X-Patch is setup. Someone mentions (in a google link) setting up chains before presets, going to try that next!! (tomorrow :).
     
  18. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Hey Tony, The X Patch is a brilliant patchbay loved by a lot of serious users. How you are going about hybrid and summing is whats odd to me.

    hope that helps.
     
  19. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    Hi Chris,

    Yep, no argument here :). It's all me I know, I just have to figure out how to make it work properly for me. I had it working properly one moment, the next was the feedback with exactly the same settings since I got it from you. Only difference was I went looking for how to make the bounce sound like what the mix did... and then I came unstuck LOL. I am just frustrated, I want a stable environment that I can just template, and use each time to route in and out as I can. When that happens, then I can just make music ( to the best of my abilities as they come).

    Cheers,

    Tony
     
  20. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

     

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