Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by kevinlimse, Oct 7, 2005.
what is your favourite?
I would say that Allen and Heath is Heads and shoulders above the rest on that list.
Those are all low end mixers so I don't know about "best". If you don't need a lot of inputs then try listening to the EQ on a top of the line channel strip. No comparison to the EQ on any of those mixers.
nah.. just see which one is well liked... u mean there are better :high-end" mixers above soundcraft, A&H....?
Im all about mackie (I miss my 1202vlz). I would sell organs for a 1220 onyx
miss my 1202 vlz too.... did some beautiful recordings with it... and a dpa 4007...
<------- Mackie 24x8 bus owner. I get a good bang for buck and I am happy with it. Flexible routing features and nice sound too (Using Alesis m1 mk2 actives).
Er . . . What FOR???
I voted Mackie, 'cos I use a 16 ch Onyx/Firewire combo.
How about Neve, DDA, etc?
Well, I'm all about "muckies" also. They are compact and can make a great demo- just don't push the pres on them and you will lose head room fast when you start to use just a bit of eq on them.
When they came out they blew away all the Peavey, EV, BFI, and Audio Centron boards that I had owned. Back in the day, my friend had a Ramsa that was just KILLER and I could have bought it for a song but it was HUMONGOUS.
I'm saving up for a midas "venice" board and the Sound Craft Ghost boards are great also. But my control room is very small and I'm only a 16 channel, 2 aux kinda guy. So the compact boards suite me to a tee.
But man, the older muckie 1202's and 1604's will always have a soft spot in my heart.
For live Digico or maybe yamaha pm1d then theirs always midas
For studio API Neve or SSL
What are you going to use it for? Having used both, I'll take my A&H Mixwizard over a Mackie any day. The preamps are only slightly better - better transient response, but the overall sound is a lot better. Also, I like the direct outs when recording a live show and doing FOH at the same time. I have routed the Direct Outs to be pre EQ/pre Fader. Just wish they were pre Insert.
I hated the Mackie VLZ series, but the new Onyx has won me over.
Speaking from a live point of view, it blew our Soundcraft Spirit out of the water. (now been sold LOL).
And the firewire card is a winner too.
I should have specified, I was referring to Mackie VLZ/VLZ Pro - I have no experience with the Onyx gear and have heard nothing but good things about it.
Yes, the EQ is now useable, and is in fact pretty good, live. Not used the EQ for syudio mixing.
So..... hmm...... mixers, after all its down to preamps? Preamps decide its fate?
No. It isn't just preamps. I was particularly interested in the preamps because I record live shows - I pull everything out pre-EQ pre-Fader.
What appealed to me most about the Allen and Heath was that it has 16 direct outs, so I can still use the inserts as inserts if I need to. For live work I'd say the EQ is probably more important than the preamps. On the older mackies, EQ was a major weakness. The A&H EQ has 2 sweepable mids and just sounds nicer.
Farther up the thread I ask what you're going to use the mixer for. Mixers are not all the same - different routing options, different output options, etc.
How many channels to you need? How many submixes to you need? How many aux channles do you need - pre or post? The list goes on and on. If you only need a simple 4 channel mixer, you might be able to find one with some pretty sweet electronics. If your looking for 32 channels, you'll be shopping for something used on eBAY - or maybe Behringer.
FWIW, my trackk record with Behringer gear is not good. I have a 4 channel DI that seem OK, but my headphone amp is another story.
I would NOT make a significant investment in Behringer gear. I know others have had different experiences.
Who came up with this list? Do Korg and Roland even manufacture a REAL mixer? C'mon, where was Midas? Speck? Studiomaster? Soundtracs? Never mind the Neves, Sonys, API, SSL, Paragon, Audient,Neotek, and God-knows-what-else is out there today...
For a "budget" board, I believe that Allen&Heath are hard to beat....HEADROOM!
I would swear that there was a $999 price limit on this thread when it started - which would leave out the big boys. Looking back now I don't see the $ limit - so maybe I'm thinking of another thread.
I tried to include other brands but the poll couldn't accept more options.... anyway, what are the emperor mixers? What are the brands only Bill Gates gets to see the catalogue?
I just got mackie d8b and even though it's probably too soon for me to make a proper judgement I'm more and more impressed with it... very accurate sounding board.. pretty good eq as well.. decent preamps but I would not dare making a pro recording using just those preamps. Mixing? yes ! I own a A&H mixwizard analog board and to my ears it's preamps are way better that mackie's but it's an analog board so it's really unfair comparison.
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