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What's your favorite overhead technique

Discussion in 'Room & Overhead' started by stickers, Nov 15, 2006.

  1. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    ORTF, XY, spaced pair, recorderman method..

    I tried all of these last night.

    1. ORTF gives the best clearest imaging. Everything seems to be placed well. Toms sounded the the best with it. And cymbals imaging seemed to pretty tight.

    2. Recorderman method. Best for reinforcing the snare and kick, IMO. Places hi tom and fl tom far left and right redpectively. Sounds very full but cymbals tend to get a little phasey. For instacne the hi hat when played open will show up split on the left and right. Basically cymbal stereo imagining inst as wide but strangely the toms are. weird.

    tied for last:
    3. Spaced Pair: Sort of like ORTF but to my ears the cymbals dont retain stereo imaging as well and doesnt reinforce the rest of the kit. Not a fan.

    3. XY : just kinda boring.

    Last night, I recorded my buddy playing drums. He was using my kit which tuned to the best of my abilities.

    Drum Specs:

    1967 Ludwig Champagne Gold 4pc
    kick 14x20 | snare 5x14 |
    rack tom 8x12 | floor tom 14x14
    Hi Hats: 1960s 14" Zildjian Avedis (On the thin side)
    Ride: 1960s 20" Zildjian Avedis (On the medium side)
    Crash: 16" A. Zildjian & Cie Vintage (thin)

    Emad Kick beater side, felt style beater, Embassadors on toms, ambassador clear on bottom. Some sort Coated Aquarian like an Ambassador on snare, evans 300 hazel on bottom.

    Mics:

    (I just got a pair of at4033 that I wanted to test out as overheads. I have been using nt5s. The nt5s are brighter. The 4033 seem more natural to my ears and more open.)

    Kick= D6
    snare=D1
    Rack Tom=D2
    Floor Tom=D2
    Overheads= at4033


    I am going to post three clips below each using three different overheads technique. spaced pair, ORTF, and Recordman method.

    IM not going to tell you which is which since I want people to decide which they like best without being influenced by what they themselves use for overhead mic'ing technique.

    Here's a pic of my drums:

    click here to listen

    here's a pic of the space used drums placed center stage):

    http://www.freewebs.com/ryansgallery/sad cafe.jpg



    THESE CLIPS ARE RAW. NO eq, compression or reverb and other such effects that manipulate audio signals.

    http://www.jetrecording.com/DrumSampleA.mp3
    http://www.jetrecording.com/DrumSampleB.mp3
    http://www.jetrecording.com/DrumSampleC.mp3

    pick your favorite. Ill post aftar a day or two and ill tell which overhead technique used.
     
  2. CircuitRider

    CircuitRider Active Member

    A - Spaced Pair

    B - ORTF

    C - Recordman
     
  3. mark_van_j

    mark_van_j Active Member

    I would've rather heard just the overhead tracks, but I guess adding the other mics makes it more realistic...

    Drum Sample A is most pleasent. Natural... I would use this for jazz or any other acoustic type recording.

    Drum Sample B is wiiide. Depending on what you are recording... If it was a rock or metal record, and I just needed wide cymbals, this would probably be the one. Otherwise it makes my head hurt... :D

    Drum Sample C I feel is something in between. The cymbals seem further away, but it's wider than sample A but doesn't make my head hurt. I would probably use this for some alt-rock or indie thing. I do hear some sort of weird snare thing going on every now and then on the right channel. Do you guys hear this, or is it just me?


    I can make pretty good guesses on which one's which, but I wouldn't want to spoil the fun for everyone else...
    :D
     
  4. CircuitRider

    CircuitRider Active Member

    Oops. I guess you wanted the picks, too. I like B the most. It seems to have a natural field and good presence.
     
  5. mark_van_j

    mark_van_j Active Member

    I would've said the fisrt to be ORTF and the second spaced. I wouldn't be surprised if the second turned out to be ORTF but I would be surprised if the first turned out to be spaced.
     
  6. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    A ORTF
    B Recorderman
    C spaced
     
  7. Reggie

    Reggie Well-Known Member

    I like B the best (correctly guessed as Recorderman, too!). Snare sounds strongest, and that is most important to me. ORTF sounded nice though. It would be cool if you took pictures of each setup...
     
  8. mark_van_j

    mark_van_j Active Member

    Interesting....

    [goes back to read "recording for dummies"]

    :)
     
  9. IIRs

    IIRs Well-Known Member

    No-one ever uses MS for drum overheads then?
     

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