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whats your favourite mic for.........

Discussion in 'Recording' started by chips, May 19, 2007.

  1. chips

    chips Guest


    I am looking to get 6 or 7 mics for my home studio and was wondering what your favourite mics are for :

    Kick ?

    Snare ?

    Toms ?

    Overheads ?

    Electric Guitar ?

    Acoustic Guitar ?

    Bass ?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
  2. My favorite mics I have used are:

    Kick ? AKG D112

    Snare ? SM57

    Toms ? SM57

    Overheads ? Samson C02 pair

    Electric Guitar ? AT3035 at range with an EV RE15 and an SM57 close mic'd

    Acoustic Guitar ? AT3035 and the Samson C02's

    Bass ? AKGD112 mixed with direct signal through a compressor.

    I built a budget home studio with this set up.

    3 x Shure SM57
    2 x Electrovoice RE15
    1 x AudioTechnica AT3035
    1 x AKG D112
    2 x Samson C02

    I paid 600 USD for all of these, so I would look around on ebay and find some deals. Careful of SM57's, though, I got sent a few , and they don't look anything like a real one. They also weigh about 1/3 of a real mic.

    I would suggest spending money on good preamps too, because those make a huge difference.
  3. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    This is a question that is very budget driven. When you say 'favorites' it should be noted that this could put your mic budget above 5 figures rather quickly should you act upon these particular mics. With that in mind I'll spend a moment and arrange them in a budgetary order.

    Kik- condenser

    High= Neumann U47fet Med= Soundelux U195 Low= Studio Projects B3

    Kik- dynamic

    High= Electrovoice RE20 Med= Heil PR40 Low= ATM25

    Snare- condenser

    High= Neumann KM184 Med= Shure SM81 Low= ADK SC-T

    Snare- dynamic

    High=Sennheiser MD441 Med= Beyer 201 Low= Audix i5/Shure SM57

    Toms- condenser

    High= Neumann U87 Med= Audio Technica 4033 Low= Studio Projects B3

    Toms- dynamic

    High= Sennheiser MD421 Med= Auix Dseries Low= Shure SM57

    Overheads - condenser Large diaphram

    High= Neumann U87 med= Audio Technica 4050 Low= Stusio Projects B3

    Overheads -condenser Small diaphram

    High= Neumann KM84 Med= Shure SM81/ AKG 451 Low= ADK SC-T

    Electric guitar- condenser

    High= Neumann TLM193 Med Audio Technica 4033 Low= Kel HM1

    Electric guitar- dynamic

    High= Sennheiser MD421/409 Med= Audix D4/i5/Shure SM57 etc.....

    Acoustic guitar- large d condenser

    High= Neumann U48 tube Med= Soundelux fet47 Low= ADK TT

    lower= AT 4033/4050/4040 even lower= SP B3/ADK Hamberg

    Acoustic guitar -small d condenser

    High= Neumann KM54/84 Med= Shure SM81/ AKG 451 Low= ADK SC-T

    Bass..........I like a good preamp for the bass. And a good DI. If I were to mic a cabinet, any of the kick drum dynamics will do. For a dedicated pre for bass I reccomend the SWR Interstellar Overdrive, the Alembic , the Avalon U5, and the Aguilar preamp. These all have a high quality DI in them so alls done with that.

    Hope this helps. There are many many other choices but these are my personal favorites that I have some experience with.

    You didnt ask about a vocal mic which another ball of yarn all to itself.

    A single 'feature' mic for this would be a Neumann...U87/TLM193, or a Soundelux U195 which for the price is one of the best in the world. Another great budget vocal mic is the ADK Vienna/Hamburg series II.
  4. Zoro

    Zoro Guest

    Currently using:

    Kik high Audix D5
    Kik low Yamaha sub kick
    Snare top Audix I5
    Snare bottom sm 57
    High Hats Audix I5
    All Toms beta 98
    OH sm81

  5. chips

    chips Guest

    Amazing. Thanks for all your help.
    I didnt mention vocal mics because i have been given a Neumann M149 that my dad used to use.
    It sounds pretty good on anything (although I dont know what it was actually designed for).

    Is the yamaha sub kick any good ?

    Thanks again
  6. mikecornett

    mikecornett Guest

    Kick ?
    (Inside): Beyer Dynamic M88, Audio Technica ATM25
    (Outside): Audio Technica AT4047 (or FET47 if you can get it)

    Snare ? Shure SM57

    Toms ? Audio Technica ATM25

    Hats? Peluso CEMC6

    Overheads ? Peluso SR14 (or Royer equivalent if you can get it)

    Electric Guitar ? Shure SM57, Beyer Dynamic M88

    Acoustic Guitar ? Neumann U67, Peluso CEMC6

    Bass ? DI, Beyer Dynamic M88


    Top 7 mics: RE-20, M88, 57, ATM25, U67, CEMC6, 121

    To cut down, I'd get a couple 57s, a couple ATM25's, do away w/ the Royer, and maybe look into the Peluso 22 251 or Mojave MA200 instead of the Neumann U67.

    The RE-20 would get more multiple uses over the D12E.

    The U67 style mic makes for the best vocal mic I've ever heard.

    SD Condenser mics for Overheads have never suited me well. Then again, I'm a coated heads kinda guy, so if you're after more of a modern thing, then the SD condenser mics for overheads would work well...as would perhaps a D112 kick mic instead of the D12E or RE-20
  7. fourone3

    fourone3 Active Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    I too am a fan of the Co2s for overheads for the monies. I bought them in the drum pack to get me going and since have kept using those two and the QToms - more for the price and ease of having them clip on the toms.

    For electric guitar: I've become a huge fan of the Sennheiser e609. I use it with the SM57 at times and have always gotten great results.
  8. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    Fredericksburg, VA
    I'll bite...I'm bored.

    Kick ? - Soundelux U195 with Fat Switch engaged or U47 (definitely with DD on that one!)

    Snare ? 57 or Audix i5

    Toms ? I don't usually mic toms. (See rant below)

    Overheads ? Schoeps CMC6 MK4, Gefell M930, Gefell M300, Beyer M130/M160 in front of the kit in M/S, Royer SF12 (just started playing with it on overheads and LOVE it!), TLM193

    Electric Guitar ? i5, Royer SF12, Beyer M160, or U195 if I'm after a different sound

    Acoustic Guitar ? Schoeps CMC6 MK4, Neumann KM84, Royer SF12 (quickly becoming my absolute favorite for acoustic guitar), Gefell M930

    Bass ? DPA 4006, Schoeps CMC6 MK2, Soundelux U195 (for acoustic bass) Radial J48 or Summit 2BA-221 for DI

    (RANT Re: Tom mics):
    I never like to say never, but I'll say it here. I never mic toms. Okay, maybe not never, but I'll only mic toms if the plan is to replace some crappy drums with samples. Other than that, I'll never mic toms. Even then, I'd rather spend an hour or two working on the kit and getting it sounding like I'd like it to than to futz around with some program like Drumagog getting the right drums to hit at the right time within the software!

    Here's my reasoning for not micing toms.

    Okay, so you have an overhead pair and a kick mic (and MAYBE a snare mic.) You already have a phase issue. Your left and right overhead pairs aren't picking up in great phase unless you're using MS/XY/Blumlein and let's face it, most people don't. But...even if you are using any of those patterns, you've still got your kick mic to contend with.

    What's that you say? I'll roll off the high end on the kick mic....hmmm...now you've lost the harmonics which give the kick its strong attack and you only have a "thud" left.

    So okay now...you've added some tom mics and said "screw the phase issue, I'll fix it in the mix" and you think to yourself - "Hey...I can always time align the drums and flip the phases on some. If that doesn't work, I'll gate and EQ..." (Sound familiar yet?)

    Okay, so now you start to time align your floor tom mic. Which mic do you time align it with? Your right overhead mic? Your left overhead mic? Your kick mic? Guess what, you now have an exponentially larger phasing issue...

    That's okay, you can gate and EQ.

    So, you turn to your trusty gate and get ready to fire it up and when it starts working, you notice something weird. As the gate opens when your floor tom is hit, suddenly the image shifts. Not only does the drum seem to pop out of nowhere (even with a carefully timed gate), you just opened a momentary phase issue with your overheads and shut it down again. This kind of phasing issue creates a new stereo representation (kind of like the way an AB spaced pair works - time differences versus amplitude differences).

    But hey! There's the EQ. We can now treat the drum with the EQ and get rid of all of those pesky frequencies that just aren't in the floor tom's range. Hmmm...which ones to cut. Do you cut below 100? Probably not. In fact, you probably boosted that for that extra "boom" in the mix. So, let's just roll off the high frequencies and let the overheads handle the cymbals and the drum mics handle the drums...Oh yeah...the fundamental of the tom is around 120-200 Hz, but the overtones reach all the way up to 4kHz or so. Oh....and the overtones are what tell us where the drum is. So now you can't roll off the highs, you can't roll off the lows so....you boost the mids. Guess what - that EQ just added MORE phase complications to the problem. An EQ achieves its goal by moving the said frequencies *ahead* or *behind* in the time domain.

    Now you just can't figure out why the drums don't sound as tight as you want them. The funny thing is, they sound pretty tight through the well-placed overheads and kick mic, but add the single extra mic for the floor tom and trouble. Just think...add 1 mic per tom (3 total for the average kit), 2 mics for the snare (why????), a high-hat mic, overhead pairs, a kick mic (or two in some cases) and a pair of room mics...

    It's a wonder we can even hear the drums and that everything isn't out of phase!

    So...okay, I've ranted. Sorry bout that. I hope you realize that I am not directing this at any one person and that I'm merely trying to help with one of the most problematic instruments to record.



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