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When recording cubase records both instrumental and vocals

Discussion in 'Cubase' started by ssj, Nov 11, 2009.

  1. ssj

    ssj Guest

    Basically every time I attempt to record on cubase both my beat and my vocals record on one track, so basically as I record cubase record both my vocals and instrumental at the same time which leaves me with a instrumental as one track, and vocals and instrumental as anouther track, something is wrong here the vocals should be recoreded on their own seprate from the instrumental.

    My equipment:-
    M-Audio Detla 66 sound card with breakout box
    Xenyx802 Mixer
    isk Condenser microphone

    My current setup:-
    1/2 Line out on the breakout box goes to line 3/4 in on my mixer

    CTRL main out on the mixer goes to the breakout box line 1/2in

    Main out goes to speakers, and headphones are connected into the headphone socket

    Images:-

    line1/2 out on breakout box to line 3/4 in on the mixer


    line 1/2 out *breakout box* to 3/4 in *mixer* and line 1/2 in *breakout box* from the ctrl room out *mixer*

    Please get back to me on how to sort on this problem so only my vocals record and yes I have already tried setting the settings on cubase after reading the FAQ posted on this forum it didnt seem to help me :( thanks.
     
  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Unless you can take your beats into line in 3/4 on the Delta 66 by-passing the mixer, the best you can do with a setup like that is record a stereo track with the vocals panned hard to one side and the instruments panned hard to the other side.

    Split the stereo track in Cubase into two mono tracks and apply your effects or whatever to the vocal and instrument tracks separately. Use mono-in stereo-out effects to create at least some illusion of width, then re-combine the tracks.
     
  3. Groff

    Groff Active Member

    To record instrumental and vocal at the same time but on separate tracks you will need 3 separate outs from mixer (1 stereo + 1 mono, or 3 mono) to feed the AD inputs. The trouble with most small budget mixers is the absence of direct outs (per channel), as a dedicated outs for recording. It is possible to use channel's insert out, as a substitute, but this is also nonexistent on your mixer. It has only one aux send, not the best way to record but you can use it.

    Record the instrumental, beat or whatever first, without the vox.

    Then make connections like this:

    DA out -> mixer stereo channel 3/4 or 5/6
    Main out -> monitor speakers

    Don’t loop back CTRL main out to the to the AD 1/2in – this will summ everything from the mixer to the recording track – and there is the problem.

    And for the recording out

    Aux send (mono) -> AD mono input 1

    Now, turn off aux sends (fx pot) on all channels except the one with microphone. On that channel, set the fx pot at the unity gain and add the mic preamp gain (trim).

    Turn off the direct monitoring in your DAW too, with connection like this you will have absolute latency free monitoring.
     
  4. ssj

    ssj Guest

    Looking at my mixer and my breakout box*which is linked to my sound card*
    I cant seem to find an AUX out on my mixer only an AUX return im assuming that "AUX return" is an input on the mixer?

    The only outs I seem to have on the mixer are:-
    CD/Tape out *Red and White out*
    CTRL Room Out
    FX Send

    Alright so what I have done based on your help is:-

    Breakout box line1/2 out to the mixers 3/4in
    and Stero AUX Return on the mixer to Breakout box 1/2in

    Please get back to me thanks.
     
  5. Groff

    Groff Active Member

    It is FX send, that's it. It's the same as aux send, just different terminology. Use it for recording signal.

    Basically, the Aux send (fx send) is dedicated to send the part of the channel signal to outboard effect then outputs from that effect are feeding mixer's aux (fx) return and are summed inside and mixed to mixer's main out. The outboard effect should work in full wet, and with channel's fx send pot you can dose how much effect you need.

    In your case, you are going to use it as a substitute for – direct recording out. Just set fx pot to the unity position, that should work fine.


    Incorrect wiring. I didn't said anything like that at all.

    So:

    - Breakout box line1/2 out to the mixers 3/4in (monitoring from the DAW)

    - Mixer's main out to the monitor speakers

    - FX send out to Breakout box line in 1 (mono signal for recording)
     
  6. Groff

    Groff Active Member

    One thing more, using this mixer you will be unable to record any stereo signal and monitor previously recorded track from the DAW at the same time. For this option you will need to invest in a mixer with better options like direct recording out or at least insert in/out per channel.
     
  7. ssj

    ssj Guest

    Alright going slightly off topic, could you recommend me a low budget mixer preferably under £100 ?
     
  8. Groff

    Groff Active Member

    Well, it's hard to tell right now. I have not much knowledge about all those new products in the market. I suggest you to search this forum deeper and you will find out something with good recommendation. I suppose you should look in 100-200 range i.e. Mackie, Peavey, Yamaha, something with good noiseless preamp and basic recording routing possibilities you need.
     
  9. ssj

    ssj Guest

    I see thanks would something along the lines of this be right?
    Link removed
     
  10. Groff

    Groff Active Member

    Ah, sorry, I forgot to mention another very important thing. When using aux send as recording out, it should be set as prefader (works independently from channel's fader). Otherwise (postfader) it will be tricky to set a good balance between the channel's monitoring volume and trim gain to DAW. Not impossible, just tricky. One and only aux send on small mixers means that it's probably hard wired as postfader.

    As far as I can see, the Blend 6 has one postfader (fx) and one (monitor) prefader aux send, I guess.

    I think you should look further to find out a mixer with at least two channels with direct outs or inserts.
     
  11. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    The problem here is that you are trying to get a low-spec mixer to do the job of a multi-channel pre-amp. Your Delta 66 is a perfectly respectable 4-channel line-input computer interface, and what you could do with here is a 2- or 4-channel pre-amp that you can connect to it. You would continue to use the mixer for outputs and for the other 2 input channels if you got only a 2-channel pre-amp.

    For a 2-channel pre-amp, you could try the M-Audio Audio Buddy or the DMP3, but for this sort of money, you really only get the bottom-end of the market. To preserve your self-respect, avoid the Behringer products in this category.
     
  12. Groff

    Groff Active Member

    good advice
     

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