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when to mic drums?

Discussion in 'Drums' started by tr3eman9, Jun 5, 2008.

  1. tr3eman9

    tr3eman9 Guest

    anyone who remembers my post from a few weeks ago about recording drums may recall that im in a band and our drummer LOVES drum mics.
    He has a huge set, but his playing isnt super loud (hes not smashing the heads, just hitting them)

    usually when we play shows, which are usually in smallish venues and places like large function halls, etc., he often has a few drum mics set up going into the mixer. my question is, at what point (i assume this decision would be based on the size of the room), is it a good idea to actually send these mics with any perceptible level to the main speakers?

    is it a good idea to generally do this at low levels even in small venues, to allow you to control the relative volume of the drums more?

    our setup by the way is:

    2 guitar amps>SM57 mics>PV20 mixer
    Bass guitar > PV20 (DI)
    Keyboard > PV20 (DI)
    Vocals and backup vox > SM58 mics > PV20
    the PV20 goes to i think a Beringher EP2500 PA, which goes to 2 600-watt each Harbinger speakers, i think they are 2x15 in, idk the size of the horn,
    and also we just added another 400-watt Peavey speaker
    these are all on one channel of the EP2500, and the other channel (at a significantly lower level) goes to 2 or 3 small (75-100 watt) monitors.

    I see these drum mics as an unnecessary hassle but is there a reason one would want them if the drums are pretty loud anyway, since we're playing in small venues?

    oh and by the way, if it changes anything, we dont have any compressors right now but im planning on picking up an inmexpensive 2-channel one, i was going to use it on lead vocals (i play guitar also and have pretty poor mic technique and want the vox to cut through) and bass guitar, but i could also use it to compress the whole mix...?

    thanks in advance!
     
  2. NCdan

    NCdan Guest

    I think drum mics are always a good idea, unless the venue is your living room. For small venues (or any venue) a mic. on the kick is a good idea. The next mics would be tom mics, since they always get lost in a loud mix. If there's any doubt, bring the mics along, and then do the first couple songs without them, and ask the sound guy if he can hear all the drum voices clearly. That's my two cents -- more common sense than anything...
     
  3. tr3eman9

    tr3eman9 Guest

    alright, will do

    thanks for the help
     
  4. NCdan

    NCdan Guest

    I'd also like to mention that a compressor on drums can drastically cut down the need for a lot of drum amplification, as well as smoothing out voices that are too loud sometimes (in other words, your drummer may not be as consistent as he thinks he is :p ). Hardcore drums are compressed to death; even the best drummers like Josh Freese and Ty Smith are compressed quite a bit on their studio work. Of course, if you're playing jazz, then the need for compression as well as mics is reduced quite a bit, but I think compression and limiting can be a beautiful thing for any drummer, since they keep the drums below a certain level and allow the overall volume of each voice to be raised. Of course, you'd need a few channels to accomodate each voice, but the bass, toms, and snare are what will really benefit from compression and limiting. Good luck.
     

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